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Israel could kill everyone left in Northern Gaza if its assault on the enclave continues, a United Nations relief official warned on Saturday

“Hospitals have been hit, and health workers have been detained. Shelters have been emptied and burned down. First responders have been prevented from saving people from under the rubble. Families have been separated, and men and boys are being taken away by the truckload,”

Msuya estimated that Israel’s actions in the north had killed hundreds and displaced tens of thousands. According to Al Jazeera, an Israeli siege on the north that began earlier in October has killed around 640.

“The Biden-Harris administration must stop the flow of U.S. weapons to Israel which constitutes a necessary step to halting Israel’s ongoing war crimes,” IMEU wrote on social media Saturday. “It’s time for an arms embargo now.”

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[–] CritFail@lemmy.world 82 points 2 weeks ago (55 children)

If Israel actually completes its mission and kills every man, woman, and child in Palestine, would that make the western powers any more inclined to call it genocide?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago

It took us a 100 years to officially recognize the Armenian Genocide.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They would start to "seriously consider the possibility that perhaps something was not right"

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

"We will have to think about scheduling a call to plan a meeting to start having talks about perhaps organising a committee which would make a recommendation as to how we should go about getting ready to write a sternly worded press release (in which we won't criticise Israel too much)."

The four stage strategy

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 weeks ago

They would still call it Hamas

[–] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

Of course not, because they are complicit

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Probably not for a few decades at least. It's only when today's college aged people take power that it'll get labeled as such. And even then, it's not a guarantee.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Long enough they can make sad movies about it.

[–] CritFail@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Just think of the profit potential!

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

Heh. The fact we live in a world where terrible tragedies become profitable media in a few generations is a mixed bag. It's good that people know about it, but it's sad that it is something to profit from.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

Victors may get to write history, but younger generations get to have the last word on it.

[–] Nihilistra@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (12 children)

Most probably suspect it's genocide and know they, by not speaking out, at least support it passively. But it just doesn't matter for their immediate or the near future, so nothing will happen. Thoughts and prayers...

I see two main culprits that enable Israel to eradicate the Palestinian people and their livelihood in manner and speed we see now. The US and germany. Many other western political elites seem far more divided on the topic but probably fear the backlash of speaking out.

70% of the weapons come from the US and they will never stop to supply their FOB. Democrats or republicans will veto everything and make it as hard as possible to even reach a clear global verdict on what happened and how to classify it.

Most of the remaining 30% come from germany.

Here the key argument is that Israel is worthy of unwavering support due to the historical fact of the holocaust and the inhumane acts inflicted on the Jewish population.

Scholz said recently that the security of Israel is a National interest of germany. As a german I feel this too, although for me the state of Israel and the global jewish population we did unspeakable crimes to are not necessarily the same. There are lines that can be crossed that limit my willingness of support. It's not unconditional and they crossed them. Israel crossed them, not the jews.

I also feel past and present crimes the jewish people had to endure can be used to understand why Israel is acting the way it does but it can't be a justification of their barbaric way of waging this war against Hamas.

In short, nothing will change. Sorry for the long reply, this shit really grinds my gears.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

US, Germany, UK, Canada, Ireland, Italy, Spain, and many more you have to dig a bit to find the details sometimes

Edit: Here info about Ireland:

I found out the other day from an interview with Irish advocate but here some info about it:

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/05/28/sharp-increase-in-export-of-irish-goods-to-israel-that-could-be-used-for-military-purposes-report-shows/

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-41404601.html

[–] Nihilistra@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Most of those make sense to me as lesser culprits.

Ireland does not. Could you explain?

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Nihilistra@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you for posting the links. Have a good one!

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 2 weeks ago

I thought the Irish were the champions of the Palestinian cause in Europe so this is... disappointing, to say the least.

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[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They’ll move those goalposts. “We killed everyone in Gaza by having them starve to death but we spared West Bank!”

“We didn’t massacre the Arabs who have Israeli citizenship!”

“We just deported every Arab from Israel and all territory we control, but we didn’t kill them!”

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Or they’ll say something like ‘well actually, it’s genoslaughter not genocide because israel didn’t mean to kill all the Gazan’s they just did so accidentally.’

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

This is so disgusting. I never wanted to visit Israel even if it was for $free, but now I have even less respect for those Zionist assholes, and I had low respect for them before.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

The colonization power couldn't say the word ceasefire. I don't think the can say the word genocide.

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