Ask Lemmy
A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions
Please don't post about US Politics. If you need to do this, try !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world
Rules: (interactive)
1) Be nice and; have fun
Doxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, and toxicity are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them
2) All posts must end with a '?'
This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?
3) No spam
Please do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.
4) NSFW is okay, within reason
Just remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either !asklemmyafterdark@lemmy.world or !asklemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com.
NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].
5) This is not a support community.
It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions.
If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email info@lemmy.world. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.
Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.
Partnered Communities:
Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu
view the rest of the comments
Jesus fuck, this is some bad faith. I was ignoring nothing. I was asleep. You waited 7 hours to reply to me, and you couldn't let me sleep for 5 without me "ignoring what you don’t want to hear". Waking up and seeing three extremely long comments that amount to re-explaining the historical context of the song while not actually addressing how the song is about pressuring someone into staying over didn't really seem worthy of reply.
Plus, the idea that you copied someone else's comment as spam just makes it worse.
If you're allowed to use "it's an old song" as your argument, then I'm allowed to use the first presentation of the song to the public as mine. And since the presentation of the song has ALWAYS been one person pressuring another into staying over despite their protests, it's always been rapey.
The only real defence in pointing out historical context is to say that a rapey song was not unacceptable for the time period. So what?
The song is a problem for people who don't want to hear someone pressuring someone into illicit relationships. It's not "willfully ignorant", and your idea that someone not liking something is just because they don't understand it is DEEPLY troubling.
If it's okay to be bothered by the song, as you directly state, then why the fuck are you complaining about someone being bothered by the song?
Im sorry that I didnt notice the times of posts. I also slept, and responded when i woke up. Apologies for that.
You keep repeating that im not addressing what the song is about. Yes very much that is entirely and solely what im addressing.
If you dont stop repeating the same wrong thing, then dont be surprised when you keep being told the same thing.
You refuse to accept that your interpertion is flawed. As indicated by disputing other peoples arguments with evidence from a movie that the song predates. Thats not historical context, its a simple timeline. Im establishing a time line. Thats a very normal thing to do. Ita not bad faith. Explain why im wrong because ive explained why your argument had problems. This is a big one of them
YOU specifically related scenes in a movie as evidence of meaning to the song. Thats the problem.
Also i read the article from the post i copied. Its not just a quote from the song writers song addressing this. Let it be known the only value of that article in my opinion is the explanation from the song writers kid. The commentary in the article by the writer on that page is bad.
What wrong thing am I repeating? Where did you address the lyrics themselves and not the context the lyrics were written in? Why is my interpretation flawed? Why is your interpretation the only one allowed? How does the first portrayal of a song supporting my interpretation of the song make that a problem?
And as I asked before, yet you ignored, why the fuck are you complaining about someone being bothered by the song?
I'm not complaining about you not l liking the song i straight up said that and you even quoted me. Wtf kinda crazy pills are you on if you cant see that?