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A space for masculine folks to talk about living under patriarchy.
Detoxing masculinity since 1990!
You don’t get points for feminism, feminism is expected.
Guidelines:
- Questions over blame
- Humility over pride
- Wisdom over dogma
- Actions over image
Rules (expansions on the guidelines):
- Mistakes should be learning experiences when possible.
- Do not attack comrades displaying vulnerability for what they acknowledge are mistakes.
- If you see good-faith behavior that's toxic, do your best to explain why it's toxic.
- If you don't have the energy to engage, report and move on.
- This includes past mistakes. If you've overcome extreme reactionary behavior, we'd love to know how.
- A widened range of acceptable discussion means a greater need for sensitivity and patience for your comrades.
- Examples:
- "This is reactionary. Here's why."
- "I know that {reality}, but I feel like {toxicity}"
- "I don't understand why this is reactionary, but it feels like it {spoilered details}"
- You are not entitled to the emotional labor of others.
- Constantly info-dumping and letting us sort through your psyche is not healthy for any of us.
- If you feel a criticism of you is unfair, do not lash out.
- If you can't engage self-critically, delete your post.
- If you don't know how to phrase why it's unfair, say so.
- No singular masculine ideal.
- This includes promoting gender-neutral traits like "courage" or "integrity" as "manly".
- Suggestions for an individual to replace a toxic ideal is fine.
- Don't reinforce the idea the fulfillment requires masculinity.
- This also includes tendency struggle-sessions.
- No lifestyle content.
- Post the picture of your new grill in !food (feminine people like grills too smh my head).
- Post the picture of the fish you caught in !sports (feminine people like fish too smdh my damn head).
- At best, stuff like this is off-topic. At worst, it's reinforcing genders norms..
- If you're not trying to be seen as masculine for your lifestyle content, it's irrelevant to this comm. If you are trying to be seen as masculine, let's have a discussion about why these things are seen as masculine.
Resources:
*The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and Love by Bell Hooks
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I listened to the Tankietube version. The voice was so much better suited than the Youtube version. The YT version was also missing the preface.
I found it interesting overall, although generally so far Hooks (I know she doesn't want it capitalised, but it makes for confusing reading otherwise, sorry...) has prioritised personal reflections over hard data. That's all I found lacking. I'm sure she gets into that in the next chapters. The words have had a nice rhythm so far though. It's an easy listen.
The stuff about the scarcity of male affection resulting in it being worth more was especially interesting.
I had another bit that resonated with me, but I can't recall it right now. I'm sure someone else will mention it for me.
In general, while listening I reflected on my current psyche, and how in getting through some trying times I have recently become more emotionally blunted than I've been in a long time, and found myself at times unable to even find the words to comfort others. It resonated with me that to rectify that, I must consciously recognise when I do it.
Overall, a valuable listen so far, and I'll be tuning into the next chapters.