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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 127 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Geez, here is another issue for which we've known about for 40 or so years that requires "urgent Action" for the past 40 years already

Wake me up when we finally do something

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 50 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Boomers have categorically chosen apathy in favor of their own self interests since 1970. By the late 90s, they were a wrecking ball.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I disagree. People who live their entire lives being relentless bombarded by consumerist propaganda and pro-capitalist disinformation are not truly free to vote against it, nor were they given the chance. Al Gore cared more about the environment than Bush, but he was still a capitalist that supported car dependency and the military industrial complex.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So you're absolving "Generation Me" of ever having to think for themselves? The same generation that could have educated themselves for less than the price of new car, and simply chose not to because a high school diploma was enough?

Millennials were just as heavily, if not more propagandized, and yet, as a cohort, we have skewed far from Baby Boomers (ie Millenials are killing x), while retaining the ability to be critical of the systems we have inherited. We are also far more educated and far more in debt. All as a result of Boomers subsidizing their own welfare on the backs of their children and grandchildren.

Baby Boomers collectively failed upward, soaked up benefit after benefit while telling themselves that they deserved their station in life, and then pulled up every ladder behind them.

So, hard disagree.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

Which is why replacing First-past-the-post voting is so important. We need to have more then two options.

Democrats believe in democracy right? What's the hold up blue states?

[–] ansiz@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Given that Gore actually won the election it's arguable that his concessions towards climate change, that it was real for a start, was the reason the election was close enough for him to lose the election. Voters loved the comforting lie over the hard truth then and they still do.

Especially given the yahoo Trump wants to appoint that doesn't believe in climate change even in 2024 is pretty damning of our ability to do anything about it.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Jimmy Carter told Boomers to put on a sweater and they kicked him out of office.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Most probably simply didn't know. A lot has to do with policies made by politicians that did know. Don't pretend to be better, you would have done the same back then with the information you had. Remember, no internet.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

lol, ok.

Despite your unfounded assumption, I'm old enough to know what it was like living pre-internet. Information was there, for those who chose to seek it out. Boomers, on the other hand, are the living definition of Dunning-Kruger. So no, they don't get a pass. They chose to remain ignorant and uneducated, and when they gained any advantage, they made sure that those who came afterward would NOT. That's not just a lack of awareness, it's mean-spirited and selfish. Which fits "Generation Me," to a T.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Well, no.

I am from the generation after the boomers but I grew up right before the Internet exploded onto the world and i can tell you that you would never see that sort of information unless you were looking for it. I know people love to shit on boomers, hence boomers being an insult word these days, but many simply couldn't know better.

Hell, I didn't know and believe me, I was (and still am) the kind of person that loves to read new things STEM. I had subscriptions on scientific magazines and I do remember reading articles about it being anything, scientists already knew about car tired being a problem, but it didn't go beyond some reports. The general population didn't know and pretending that they could have and should have known is simply disingenuous.

If you were alive at that time then you too know that it wasn't that easy.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You might as well just take the long nap.

No ones gonna do anything.

We're gonna keep wringing our hands about it, desperately shout time is running out...and watch time run out, then shrug our shoulders and go "Welp, nothing we can do about it now"

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

Got the vasectomy already. I'm all set to become the most unreasonable person in the chaos wastes.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

We need to convince billionaires to care. They are the ones who hold all the real political power.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

they dont care about anything but their money and the bunkers where they think they'll hide during the coming man made disasters

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

nah, guilliotines exist and are very convincing.

we dont actually have to take orders from them.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

convince billionaires to care

Nah, just get santa to solve our crisis

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

More realistically like 15 years, but, yeah, same difference in the end.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah no, I've seen reports back in the early 90s about this in the Netherlands where they saw microplastics.ftom.tires being a huge problem