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A space for masculine folks to talk about living under patriarchy.
Detoxing masculinity since 1990!
You don’t get points for feminism, feminism is expected.
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- Questions over blame
- Humility over pride
- Wisdom over dogma
- Actions over image
Rules (expansions on the guidelines):
- Mistakes should be learning experiences when possible.
- Do not attack comrades displaying vulnerability for what they acknowledge are mistakes.
- If you see good-faith behavior that's toxic, do your best to explain why it's toxic.
- If you don't have the energy to engage, report and move on.
- This includes past mistakes. If you've overcome extreme reactionary behavior, we'd love to know how.
- A widened range of acceptable discussion means a greater need for sensitivity and patience for your comrades.
- Examples:
- "This is reactionary. Here's why."
- "I know that {reality}, but I feel like {toxicity}"
- "I don't understand why this is reactionary, but it feels like it {spoilered details}"
- You are not entitled to the emotional labor of others.
- Constantly info-dumping and letting us sort through your psyche is not healthy for any of us.
- If you feel a criticism of you is unfair, do not lash out.
- If you can't engage self-critically, delete your post.
- If you don't know how to phrase why it's unfair, say so.
- No singular masculine ideal.
- This includes promoting gender-neutral traits like "courage" or "integrity" as "manly".
- Suggestions for an individual to replace a toxic ideal is fine.
- Don't reinforce the idea the fulfillment requires masculinity.
- This also includes tendency struggle-sessions.
- No lifestyle content.
- Post the picture of your new grill in !food (feminine people like grills too smh my head).
- Post the picture of the fish you caught in !sports (feminine people like fish too smdh my damn head).
- At best, stuff like this is off-topic. At worst, it's reinforcing genders norms..
- If you're not trying to be seen as masculine for your lifestyle content, it's irrelevant to this comm. If you are trying to be seen as masculine, let's have a discussion about why these things are seen as masculine.
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*The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and Love by Bell Hooks
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Admittedly, this is a lot of why I avoid women that aren't either related to me through marriage, or in a relationship with nowadays. Yeah, I've spent a decade trying to sand and polish and lacquer over all the rough parts of me that can and have given people mondo splinters before, but... If there's one thing that perennially gets me to avoid spaces, avoid thinking about fellowship, hell, even avoid meatspace friendship, it's because in those moments of experiencing what you've referred to as heteropessimism from women, it reminds me that I can do all the work on myself I want-- but because of what I was born with, I'm just immediately categorized a threat. Because harmful men oftentimes don't listen when those of us who have either started on, or been deeply enmeshed in that work a minute.
I don't like being made to feel like I'm still a walking weapon when I'm the one who installed my safeties, when I'm the one who field-cleared my barrel, when I'm the one who removed my firing pin-- and it feels like nothing will change as long as there's dudes cutting us off for trying to tend to their toxicity. I'd be lying if I'd said I hadn't considered (physically) transitioning before just to try and cut down on the reasons people cross the street in front of me when they see me coming-- it's not like my mind is particularly attached to any presentation at this point.