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Trump's climate and abortion policies have Americans flocking for vasectomies
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this post was submitted on 05 Dec 2024
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Because a society can only survive through procreation. This incessant push on social media to demonize children is seen by many as, at least in part, a hostile effort by bad actors like Russia and China to undermine and destroy the future of western civilization.
Not everything is a fucking conspiracy.
It is when you're an idiot
Aren't we in favor of deporting 7% of our population? (25 million illegal immigrants/ 335 million)?
Is population size really that important to you?
Who demonizes children?
China also pulled back from their 1-child policy and as far as I remember Russia never had something like that in place.
And I think we're globally already over the brink of sustainable humans.
How should we be able to support all the newborn humans, if human population grows even more. Isn't that bad for said children, if they can't have enough...anything anymore?
This obviously needs global solutions, as many societies would feel, that others are just overwhelming them, when they are producing more offspring.
But what does this even have to do with abortion rights?
If you have a condom accident and can't afford to have a child, is it better to have the child live through worse conditions, than when planned?
What about rape or medical, where the mother could die?
This perspective seems quite narrow, but maybe I didn't quite get your point.
Edit: autocorrect and some beers...
People on the right aren't very nice about trans kids. But that's probably not their point.
Yeah right. Totally has nothing to do with the inhumane policies the US oligarchy is pushing.
Procreation only makes children - society needs culture and order to continue through the generations. Having people who have no idea about their history or traditions is useless, they might as well be cattle.
Outside influences like rival countries or self financed teams paid for by billionaires to influence society is the problem. Forcing others to be parents won't solve the problem. We need people who want to raise children so abuse and broken people aren't a constant output. To make people want children, they need a future in which they feel they can raise a person. The current anti-worker, anti-business geo-economic plan for the next 4 years doesn't give the kind of future folks want to have children.
i'm a statesian. people being barely better than cattle is my culture.
Immigration also works.
Aka population replacement. Fuck off.
Can't wait until you learn how the US was created.
I look to the future, where we do not justify our actions based on the bad actions of people long dead. That's silly as fuck.
According to that logic, in the future we'll be long dead therefore our actions don't matter. You sure forgetting the past is the right move?
Lol you fuck off for thinking purity bullshit
I hope you overcome your illness.
And where do you think those immigrants come from?
Other places. I'm not into racial purity, if that's your point, or some hopeless quest to prevent the world changing.
Okay, but where do the people from other places come from?
You're not thinking this all the way through.
I want to hear you say where. Please, in your own time.
^(o.o^) (>^.^)> PROCREATION <(^.^<) (^o.o)^
Okay, so what does that have to do with people getting vasectomies? If someone doesn't want to have children, what does it matter to them if someone else chooses to, specifically if they're not from the same country?
Do you believe in your ideals? Do you want them to be passed on to another generation? If the answer to these questions is no, then I fully support your decision to remove yourselves from the gene pool.
And now we've circled back completely to the start of this comment chain. Feel free to read it again start to finish if you're still confused.
What if your answer is yes, and you want to pass on your ideals to the next generation. Why does having a vasectomy change that? Can someone not pass their ideas on to their adopted children, or their nieces and nephews? Did Martin Luther King Jr. only pass his ideals onto his children, or did he spread his message to the people of both the US and the world? What does people getting vasectomies and people moving to their country change their ability to have ideals and show them to the world? I didn't teach my kids to be kind to others, or to treat people with respect, by telling them: I did it by showing them those actions, and others see those as well, and it spreads.
Again, how does a vasectomy change your ability to pass on ideals?
I'm sorry. I think it's terminal.
You haven't been in a real conversation about this, have you? I understand, we're all in echo chambers of varying sizes. I noticed you also didn't say 'where' which was my original question. I think you're a little younger than I initially clocked you, so I'll ask this carefully:
People move to your country; what does that have to do with having a vasectomy?
You've said passing on ideals, but you haven't explained the connection. The more people around me the more people I can pass my ideals onto -- why would more people decrease that ability, and why would getting a vasectomy stop it, either?
I'm just not super interested in people so hellbent on ideological purity that they'll ignore the most basic mechanics of the world we live in.
So why are you concerned about people getting vasectomies? Why does that mean they cannot also put their ideals out into the world?
Concerned? Hell no! I fully support it.
If you're stupid enough to fall for this asinine bullshit, we definitely don't want you reproducing.
Fall for what? You haven't committed to a single idea here, you're all over the map.
If you still don't get it, I can't help you.
Well if I'm going to 'get it,' you have to actually explain it. You're dancing around the issue and I can't tell for sure if it's because you never get to this point in the conversation, or if you legitimately don't know. You've been told to not like something and you're following through on that, but it's clear you just can't fit the parts together. Why would being a blood-parent allow you to send your ideals forward, yet being an adoptive parent, or an uncle, or just a member of the community wouldn't allow it? Do you feel your parents chose who you are, and how you think, and that you'll do the same for your kids?
Nah, children fucking suck. All of them. I was born and raised in the middle of the US and since I was young I knew I never wanted children. I wouldn't be a good parent so it would be unfair to bring a human into this shitty world and then have them rely on me to raise them. It's irresponsible and quite frankly unethical to have kids just because procreation is necessary for the human species to to grow. There are plenty of people that want them that the rest of us aren't required for sustainability.
The world could use a couple of billion less people anyway.
I dont think you understand remotely as much as you think you do.