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‘The American people did not vote for whatever the hell this is,’ warns House Democrat
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And yet they'll still somehow get blamed for everything that's coming.
No shortage of people that just stupidly (or with an agenda) blame dems for the shitty republicans. People on lemmy saying Reagan was Carter’s fault, for example.
That’s how abusers think. “Look what you made me do.” Look how you made me stay home and not vote so now we have trump.
More recent example: People on Lemmy continuing to blame the return of Trump on Biden and Harris. Harris wasn't the perfect candidate, so of course the only reasonable thing to do was stay home and let Trump return to power. I mean, Liz Cheney showed up on stage to support her that one time. What else were voters supposed to do? This was all Harris's fault, dammit!
As an outsider, Harris is worse than "not a perfect candidate", she's a really bad one.
Anything to avoid taking responsibility for their words and actions.
It's not their fault in the sense that Harris was a bad candidate or Biden was a bad president compared to his peers. They were both fine but they largely stuck to early 2000s platforms (or at least could not overcome that perception) and people clearly want something different. Many can tell that the trajectory of the past isn't going to work out for them. Trump isn't a good response to that but Democrats are perceived to be categorically opposed to acknowledging the sentiment and adjusting course. It's not exactly rational but it is understandable that people in a bad spot aren't particularly concerned about things getting worse because from their perspective things are already pretty bad.
Here's the part where I have to strongly disagree with the rationale.
I get it. You've (proverbially speaking) been in a hole for 4 years, and all you're being offered is a rickety old ladder that looks like it'll fall apart as soon as you go up a couple of steps. I can understand why the guy saying he might drop a nice shiny new ladder might look more appealing. But that's not what's going on here.
The guy saying he might offer you a shiny new ladder is also the same guy who was responsible for throwing you into this hole 4 years ago in the first place. And in fact, he's not even holding a ladder this time. He's promising to throw you a shovel and telling you to dig deeper.
That's why I disagree. It would be one thing if Trump were throwing around the usual empty GOP promises. But Trump, Vance, and Musk have all come out and repeatedly said they were going to impose hardships on the poor, they were going to impose tariffs on virtually everything, and acknowledged that prices would likely continue to go up, not down.
I understand wanting someone offering a better ladder if you're in a hole. But my god, the last thing you do is vote for the guy with the shovel.
A rickety ladder would have been fine. What we were offered was a choice between a shovel and dynamite.
You absolutely do not get it.
This, exactly. Most voters are poorer today than they were four years ago. Biden would have been considered a decent or even excellent president in the eighties or nineties, but his slow and steady policies were not up to the task of solving the damage being inflicted on people by late stage capitalism.
And in a completely tone-deaf move Harris refused to criticize this approach and promised to be four more years of the same thing. To voters, that read as "Four more years of your budget getting tighter and tighter." Against that, anything became a good option. Trump is the equivalent of solving a problem by throwing a molotov at it, sure, but from most people's point of view, at least it's a throw of the dice. They figure a chance of things getting better is more than no chance.
The same thing is most likely going to happen up here in Canada soon. If we end up with Pollievre it won't be because anyone likes him, but because no one likes the alternatives.
I don't blame Harris but I do blame Biden. Biden should never have run in 2020 and certainly not in 2024. He was a failed presidential candidate in 2008 and earlier, but he used his association with Obama to win despite being a terrible candidate. His ego almost got Trump a second term in 2020 and ended up getting us a Trump term in 2024. Trump is not a good candidate, he's not supposed to win. He only won and came close because he had the incredible good fortune of running against Hillary Clinton once and Biden twice.
Biden and Harris deserve plenty of blame over Trump winning
They're just plenty more blame to go around
Biden should not have run, period. You're oblivious.
Bingo. So many donvict supporters pulled this shit when donvict "won" in 2016 - "Obama and Hollywood made me do this. You deserve tRump." And yes, that is totally abuser type of talk.
It is expected that the demons on the right - like Tucker Carlson [1] - will use this kind of talk, but what is so damned infuriating is when the Enlightened Centrists (TM) and the "liberal media" say it as well.
[1] Tucker was saying that at some point, he may have to turn to fascism because of what the left Made Him Do, because "too woke" or something.
And they'll continue shifting right, blocking a meaningful progressive agenda, and promote neoliberal "nothing will fundamentally change" policy until they are completely consumed/eliminated by the fascist plutocracy.