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[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They should shut up about politics. Not voting is literally a declaration that you don't care who governs you. Voting is what gives you the right to complain about the government. If you didn't vote, shut up.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 22 hours ago

Not voting is literally a declaration that you don't care who governs you

no, it's not

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

They should shut up about politics

Not participating in fake, anti-democratic spectacles (somehow) "disqualifies" one from talking about politics?

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is just ignorance and whiny entitlement. Your "fake anti-democratic spectacle" is the hard-won achievement of generations of people who came before you. Boring liberal representative democracy is the exception in world history. Most people in the world have never had the opportunity that you have to influence your government. Not good enough for you? Well then get off your ass and do something to make it better. The very least you can do is vote, because out of two candidates, one is always better than another. If you can't be bothered to do even that, then I for one don't care what you have to say about politics.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 22 hours ago

because out of two candidates, one is always better than another

if neither one should have power, I'm not voting for either one

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

is the hard-won achievement of generations of people who came before you.

Really? The generations of people who resisted and fought against THIS EXACT STATUS QUO would be proud of these glorified rubberstamping spectacles which only exist to legitimize elite rule?

Really?

Boring liberal representative democracy is the exception in world history.

Really? So the ongoing genocide your "boring liberal representative democracy" is funding is... an exception? The history books says otherwise.

Most people in the world have never had the opportunity that you have to influence your government.

Lol! Do I sound like a billionaire parasite to you?

then I for one don’t care what you have to say about politics.

What's the matter, liberal? Is all the cognitive dissonance starting to make you feel queesy?

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Do I sound like a billionaire parasite to you?

No, you sound like an ignorant decadent American college student.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

an ignorant decadent American college student.

Those Yankee college students staging protests on US campuses are far better at "doing" democracy than all the voting you could do over a lifetime put together.

Perhaps it's best that you don't try to flex about something you don't seem to know too much about, okay?

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Elections might be skewed, they might be giving voters a rather narrow choice, they might depend on who's got the bigger campaign fund, they might not offer ranked choice, yet with all that --they're still one of the most accessible, actionable things the average person can do to control their nation's future. Passing on that is not justifiable, because we should be doing everything we can, and that includes voting. I used to be cynical like you, but ~~then I took an arr~~ I mean, we can't afford that.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Elections might be skewed,

If you want to see this glorified rubberstamping of elite rule through those kind of rose-tinted spectacles, fine.

But don't call it "democracy."

I used to be cynical like you

If you think seeing through propaganda is "cynicism," boy, do I have bad news for YOU.

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 0 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Depends on your nomenclature, I've heard US and France's political systems referred to as "flawed democracies". I personally didn't call either a democracy, I think we're past that quite frankly.

If you think seeing through propaganda is “cynicism,” boy, do I have bad news for YOU.

I call cynicism "giving in to desperation instead of acting". I've explained why imho not voting was the least reasonable choice, so far you have failed to reason back. Do you think you can do that ?

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 0 points 17 hours ago

I’ve heard US and France’s political systems referred to as “flawed democracies”.

Painting a lighter shade of lipstick on a pig doesn't make the pig less of a pig.

I personally didn’t call either a democracy,

No, you didn't. And that is legit refreshing.

I’ve explained why imho not voting was the least reasonable choice

I never said that not voting was reasonable. My point is that it's perfectly UNDERSTANDABLE.

There is a difference.