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Pupils will be banned from wearing abayas, loose-fitting full-length robes worn by some Muslim women, in France's state-run schools, the education minister has said.

The rule will be applied as soon as the new school year starts on 4 September.

France has a strict ban on religious signs in state schools and government buildings, arguing that they violate secular laws.

Wearing a headscarf has been banned since 2004 in state-run schools.

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[–] TheGoodKall@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I agree with you. It's one thing to say the school can't promote a religious creed to the pupils, it is another to limit self-expression of dress when it doesn't impact other students

[–] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

French secularism is way different than what americans have, it is pretty unique. Remember it

[–] Lakija@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It is less about religious freedom but more about the fact that no religion should exist in state run places like school. It is quite complicated, you might want to google it. For example american stuff like swearing on a bible thing, even if there is a non religious alternative, would be extremely controversial in france

[–] Lakija@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The US over here was supposed to be that way, with the separation of church and state.

As you have likely seen—due to the ceaseless amount of news about the US everywhere—that is a fucking joke now. Our country is overridden by the devils evangelical spawn.

[–] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess, but it feels like your state aknowledges religions with speciak tax regimes and stuff like that. The whole religious freedom thing is kinda cringe to me

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The idea was that they stay out of politics, the government stays out of religion, because that's mutually beneficial.

Now they're on the cusp of reaping what they've sowed with the unholy evangelical alliance. People aren't interested in churches anymore and young people especially. Republicans are one election away from nonviability for president (knock on wood, and please let it be the election in 2024). Young people fucking loathe Republicans and evangelicals.

Are there young people still casting their lot with them? Absolutely. But the proportional difference is disastrous in politics. Even a 45-55 split is massive, and millennials and Zoomers are certainly more than that on Republicans.

[–] finkrat@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So what is the solution for religious families then? Are they forced to private institutions/homeschool?

[–] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The solution is to not mix up faith and school

[–] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm interested to know if there's any kind of religious education in the French school system?

In the UK I was in a CofE school (Christian) but our Religious Education classes taught about all religions pretty equally.

[–] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

My middle school did too but I was in a private school, I don't know if it is part of public school. Most of it was me arguing with my religious teacher tho

[–] finkrat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

So violate their faith for school? That's not an ideal solution