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[–] De_Narm@lemmy.world 213 points 3 days ago (5 children)

The last panel applies to every other social media, just replace the spying country.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 69 points 3 days ago (4 children)

That last part is becoming less and less relevant .... someone is spying but it isn't for the benefit or under the control of a country. More and more, the spying is meant more for the purposes of commerce and finance, for money and control. For business interests which is what major governments mainly represent.

[–] bahbah23@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago

And as soon as the government wants it, most companies hand it right over.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

At this point, the line between business and government in the US is almost non-existent, so definitely still a government using your data for the propaganda machine.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 days ago

Reminds of my favourite description of the US ....

"The US isn't a country, it's a corporation with a military"

surveillance capitalism…

And it doesn't matter who or why, either - as soon as someone hoards other people's data, someone else will try to steal it.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Yes, and that's why US companies aren't banned by the US. The foreign power having so much propaganda power was the danger.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So if an American company collects user data and sells it on the open market to a hostile foreign nation, and accepts money to run propaganda, that’s A-OK?

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That capitalism baby! I suppose Congress can at least control who Facebook et al. are selling to through sanctions and such.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They could but they haven’t, so this ban is just racist economic protectionism.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm not sure what race has to do with economic protectionism, but it's really a combination of all of the above.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

If I wanna get my propaganda from more than one world power, that's my right under the first amendment. Or it was.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

Same reason why China bans a shitload of sites. It's fine when you do it to your own citizens

[–] Idreamofcheesy@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Right? Now do Facebook.

[–] pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] De_Narm@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There are multiple instances pushing propaganda and most data can just be scraped by bots. It may be harder, but capitalism finds a way.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

The multiple instances:

[–] 7dev7random7@suppo.fi 3 points 3 days ago

The last panel also hurts us - fellow non-americans :(