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Also, anyone else noticed the "China is not an immigrant country" posting there?
Yeah there's definitely some culture shock and points of contention with our values. They also seem to take the 90's "colorblindness" approach, and see anything else as creating division. And ofc some of them go full on Reefer Madness with what they think weed does.
But they don't have the brainworms American politics create, so that's a big plus. I think there's a lot of potential value in this cross-cultural communication. I think most of them haven't actually seen anyone explain or make the case for this or that take, because they just haven't been in dialogue. I would say, don't assume they'll be unreasonable like chuds even if they're off the mark on an issue.
Imagine going through a portal to the 90's, except in this universe people aren't anticommunist or religious. Some archic takes but way fewer brainworms than most places.
Yeah, it's possible to have a genuine dialogue on things. Even someone who is relatively chuddish will hear you out.
The insistence that "negative peace" be maintained a bit more difficult for me to grapple with, but I'm hardly in a position where I should attempt to tackle that in the first place
Also a lot more open antisemitism. Love the enthusaism for the fall of Israel, don't love so much when folks start talking shit about jewish people in general
Koreans, really? Never heard of any animosity between Chinese and Koreans, except on weird nationalist debates on the real origins of Hanfu or Kimchi.
The "Lunar vs. Chinese New Year" discourse touches on it too.
The funny thing (but still inclusive really) is that....apparently they consider every ethnic group in China to be Han? It's weird but it means everyone's in the in-club. Imagine if racist Americans were like every American is actually white (so even PoC are considered white). Weird, certainly racist, but very inclusive; also not helpful to corporations and political parties who need us all to be at each other's throats.
This sounds very wrong imo. They consider them to be Chinese, from my understanding.
As far as I understand in Imperial China lots of disparate people were brought into the 'Han' fold for political nation-building reasons. Cantonese and Dongbeiren are very different, but they're both 'Han' for example. The PRC on the other hand seems quite keen on officially differentiating distinct official ethnic groups, but I guess it's possible that old "inclusive" ideas are still around in niche corners.
You're not wrong on everyone being firmly included under the banner of 'Chinese' though either way.
I've noticed the exact OPPOSITE. Every single ethnic groups is CHINESE. Han are Han. Wa are Wa. Hezhe are Hezhe. Yi are Yi. And so on. Everyone is in the "Chinese" club, though. This also includes newer members like Tibetans. They are Chinese now.
There is also no shame in a Han person dressing in the full traditional Yi garb, though. There seems to be no concept of cultural appropriation if someone does it because they love it and don't claim it as theirs.
Additionally a lot of policies protect the minority ethnic groups. For instance the One Child policy in the days of old only applied to the Han.
God, a similar policy in the US would have torn this country apart.
You don’t have to persuade me, fam I was already sold
hashtag #HanGenocide
Isn’t that exactly what happened with whiteness as a concept? Used to be wasp only, now it even includes Italians and the Irish. Black people are also nominally let into the tent of “American” when it is time to shit on the “illegals”.
Don’t really see the need to give credit to this kind of chauvinism.
Ah, true. I hadn't considered it, and actually I have seen this done many times.
most of the population is han, but there are 56? officialy recognized indigenous minorities that make up like 10% of the population or so. your ID will have your ethnicity on it for example
Ah, I wasn't aware of that; admittedly my 'evidence' is anecdotal and comes from a few arguments I've seen with some folks in/from China where people were saying this region or that isn't Han but that they're simply classified that way. Probably a racist argument against Chinese folks that now that I dwell on it, probably went over my head.
as far as i know, a lot of populations have "become" han over time (thousands of years) for example people in the southeast being "nanyue" at some point before the tang dynasty, and a lot of manchu populations becoming han-ified during the qing dynasty and japanese occupation i think.