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Image is of Elon Musk giving the Nazi salute a week or so ago.


I didn't really want to keep spotlighting American domestic events as I had assumed that shit would calm down pretty quickly, but it appears that the Trump administration, including Musk, are determined to bring down the empire from the inside.

One of the most important lessons of ruling a country - and especially an empire - is to never, ever believe your own propaganda; and yet now we have neo-Nazi failsons disrupting parts of the imperial apparatus and causing general government mayhem because they actually seem to believe in libertarianism; that the state and the capitalists are somehow in opposition, rather than working in lockstep to maximise profit and boost American hegemony around the world.

I'm not so optimistic as to believe that a national collapse is FOUR DAYS AWAY, like those weird anti-China cranks often speculate - the US has at least a decade or two left even under these conditions. But consider the damage being inflicted in these past couple weeks, and extrapolate that over the next four years. Does any living American political figure possess the competency to halt - or even meaningfully slow - the already ongoing decline? And could they achieve power (or even be allowed to do so) after Trump's term is done?


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[–] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 65 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The White House just issued an executive order on South Africa that includes admitting Afrikaner South Africans as refugees to the United States

[–] Gucci_Minh@hexbear.net 44 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It looks like this includes all the white settlers in SA. Good, they should all leave SA!

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Think about who will take such an offer and who will stay in South Africa amongst the white population. The people that would take up such a offer from the US will be the most virulent extreme racists, while those that will choose to stay will be those with more ties to their local community. Remember, racial segregation ended over 30 years ago over there. There are going to be fully grown white adults with jobs, with friends, family and spouses of different races, who enjoy freedom, who have no idea what full blown segregation looks like because they weren't even born yet. These people are not going to want to be some pawn in a Trump - Musk project to make the USA more racist.

What I'm saying is that this is a complete negative for the USA from a left wing perspective. The US imports more racists of a similar mindset as genocidal Israelis, while South Africa keeps those interested in building their young country. From a right wing USA perspective this is great, the US gets more racists and true believers in empire, who are in a unique position of being skilled workers (thanks to the legacy of apartheid) while being prepared to work for substantially less money than the US domestic workforce, as they've used to South African wages (1 US Dollar = 19 South African Rands). That's why Donald Trump and Musk want this in the first place, it's a great policy for the right wing in the USA! Trust me, based off of what I see on social media, you do not want these people to join your country. Do you want millions more Elon Musk clones running around?

[–] Biddles@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Of course it's a negative for the US, but it's a positive for SA

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago

Yeah probably, a great way to flush out all the racists I imagine.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm sure SA would be glad to be rid of all the colonial crackkkers. The racist core getting more racist is no reason to hamper decolonization efforts

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

South Africa is a majority black nation and white people haven't had political power for over 30 years, if they wanted to get rid of all of them it would have happened already. The reality is it's not that simple, white people still have a lot of economic power and even ignoring that, despite apartheid and racial segregation, there has been a substantial amount of integration between different races. According to some basic research online, there are over 5 million mixed race people in South Africa, making up over 8% of the general population, and over 40% of the population in two provinces. So where is the line drawn here? Ultimately the political capital to do some kind of "deportation of white people" just doesn't seem exist, I don't think even the more radical political parties in government want that (I could be wrong). But I think that this offer from the US could be a blessing in disguise, South Africa can use it to get rid of a bunch of racists, whom will even be leaving voluntarily!

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Who said anything about deporting them? These are the self styled “refugees” that would take Trump up on his offer to emigrate to America. These are self-deporting racists.

I never said anything about SA kicking anyone out, these are people who elect to leave. They should be assisted and given a nice welcome package

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I never said anything about SA kicking anyone out, these are people who elect to leave. They should be assisted and given a nice welcome package

Yeah I agree with you there. But apparently they don't want to leave anymore know that the offer is on the table...

These people are pathetic and honestly should face some consequences for treason. But unfortunately I doubt that will happen.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I mean, start expropriating these people's wealth and land and see how many change their tune. A lot probably would just flee to America if they were actually being "oppressed" like Trump claims they are.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Remember, racial segregation ended over 30 years ago

how many apartheidiste holdouts are even left at this point? surely the muskesque too-racist-to-function crowd have fled by now

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I have no idea, but I imagine there are still quite a few based off of what I can see on twitter and Reddit. On Wikipedia, the most racist Afrikaner political party I can find that currently has seats in government, VF+, got 414,864 votes, or 2.38% of the vote, in 2019 as their best ever result. So there definitely are still at least a couple hundred thousand adult extreme racists around. And remember, many of the less outwardly extreme racists but still racist/scratched liberals would still take a US offer. Is the USA prepared to deal with hundreds of thousands, if not a million new Elon Musks that are as racist as your average genocidal Zionist? In South Africa these people have no effective platform locally (2.3% of the electorate at best), in the USA these people can be streamlined straight into the GOP apparatus which has Trump hitting his highest approval ratings ever. Imagine a bunch of Elon Musks, Ben-Gvirs, etc, with seats throughout the Republican party.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

it's very hard to imagine a boer that's held out for decades finally calling it because the US makes a minor administrative change to the immigration process, which was already easy for them (white)

e: offer them some money and i'd believe it but 'refugee' status in the US is not generous

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

Boers that wanted to leave, have mostly left. Of course you could still redistribute the lands & assets but thats on the majority of SA to make that happen.

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

the US is becoming like Rhodesia now? they are importing racists and neo-Nazis?

[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They imported classic nazis, might as well import the neos as well

[–] Hexboare@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

most virulent extreme racists

I have never met a White south african who did not fit into this category one way or another

[–] blobjim@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

:malema-shining:

[–] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago

Yeah they aren't moving to the US. They have it good in South Africa on their stolen land

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Israel, Australia, and Georgia got them already, too late for that us government.

[–] Hexboare@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

From memory in Australia the conservative racist immigration Minister made some comments about the poor White south African farmers but then rejected and deported the first one that applied