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Bring specific people into court, and hold them in contempt.
If they refuse to appear, assume judgement, and seize assets.
You don't need a fucking army if you can force all their assets to be frozen. Worked for Russia, worked in the Red Scare, and it'll work now.
Dude, you no longer have a functioning legal system
You are calling for antibiotics for a patient with no inmune system... trying to jump start a car with a siezed engine
If anything could work (and I'm not sure it would at this point) is a general, nation wide strike
Not true at all, and not sure why you think that suddenly all parts of the constitution stopped working. Your train of thought is why all these people online are furiously typing and shitting their pants at the same time instead of actually doing something.
Trump may be "off limits" according to SCOTUS but the people that carry out his illegal orders are not.
This is the point. Anyone not complying with the actual court orders should get contempt. Trump can't pardon them out of shit.
President does have the power to pardon someone for a federal contempt charge. So we'll get into a wierd situation of perpetual pardons and contempts at some point. We can only pray that that level of recursion breaks the simulation and we can all leave this hell cape.
That may not be the case. I have read that the President's pardon abilities only cover criminal offenses, and contempt of court that stems from ignoring a ruling is considered a civil offense.
Pdf link warning: https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10186
This is something I had found the other week that led me to beleive that he probably could
Are PDF links especially perilous? I thought most PDF viewers that are JS-capable disable it by default?
I guess nowadays, it's not the biggest deal but it's just an old internet habit was to not break people's browsers
Ah right! Been a little while but I remember. Thank you
Contempt needs to happen, like tomorrow. The longer these folks feel above any law the worse our chances of recovery from this get.
If this were civil, that would maybe be a thing.
This is.. well its fundamentally different. We've undergone a coup. This kind of circle-jerking "But He's Not Following The Law" by NBC, is well, masturbatory, and intentionally obscures what has happened.
NBC is part of the problem, not the solution. Being in contempt of courts when courts and law have no.. why pretend like they do?
Not about civility. Doomers are saying there isn't anything the other equal branches of government can do, but there is. This is one of those things.
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "civil" in this context.
I do. This is not a civil matter. This is 1/3 of the government apparatus fucking with the other two, and the judicial has all the power in this country to compel every citizen to comply.
Is Chase holding Elon's money? Guess what happens if they don't comply with a federal court order.
What state does he hold property in?
Does he have stocks? Of course he does. All of these can be seized on paper alone without the Executive branch being involved at all.
I'm even more convinced than before you have not a fucking clue what the fuck you are talking about or what civil means in this context.
Treasury is executive branch
Banks and private asset organizations are not the federal government.
If you're trolling, fuck off.
If you're just stupid, educate yourself.
Correct me if I’m stupid, I thought asset seizures need to go through the Department of Treasury, no? Like they can refuse to honor the FDIC, other things if banks don’t unfreeze?
This also all seems to go through the whole “if they comply”. Usually the DOJ enforces things, no?
Nope. They can apply at any banking institutions which are governed by state as well. Is that bank incorporated in any of the 23 states currently suing the Trump admin?
Is Danny Smith the head of said bank?
Any and all of the individuals involved in not complying with a court order can be held in contempt and have assets frozen for defying a lawful order of the court.
Your comment about state authority make me just a little more hopeful…
On the other hand, Trump is already flaunting his ability to choke state resistance by withholding federal funding.
Outrageously unconstitutional but he already isn't following the courts anyway. I wonder if there's any way for states to work around that, since most blue states are net negative on federal funds.
Just stop paying up because he won't comply with the freeze? Then use those funds to paper over the deficit?
In order to "just stop paying up" the states would have to convince their citizens and businesses to stop paying their Federal income taxes and payroll taxes, because that money goes directly to the Federal government without passing through the states' control first.
As far as I can tell, the only part of the Federal budget revenue that flows through the states and therefore might be able to be blocked is small enough to fit in the "misc/other" slice on a pie chart.
Good point. But at the same time the states control a lot of bureaucracy around day-to-day civilian operations and vital records.
If the state doesn't send birth and death certificates to the IRS, taxing gets a lot harder. They control the registration of corporate entities, and while I'm not an expert on corporate law, I assume they could cause problems restricting access to those.
There's probably some creative, outside the box economic resistance as well that I don't know enough to guess at. For example, taxes/tolls/fines targeting government vehicles? Cutting or up-charging state power/utilities to customs offices?