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So can someone explain this to me? Because I understand the explanation that the experiments were with transgenic mice, and obviously Trump is dumb enough to not know the difference, but then they've got this explanation on whitehouse.gov:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/03/yes-biden-spent-millions-on-transgender-animal-experiments/
I have to swallow down my vomit after reading an official government website use the phrase "fake news losers", but then it seems to be quoting actual studies and includes things like:
and
Those sound like perfectly valid and worthwhile experiments to me, but they do technically involve mice being given gender-affirming hormones, or as an idiot would say, "transgender mice".
I just want to be accurate with my criticisms, and I'm not sure the transgenic = transgender explanation is enough.
Gender affirming care isn't just trans.
Remember when Angelina Jolie got her precancerous boobs whacked off to prevent cancer, then new cancer free ones installed? That back part was GAC.
Viagra, steroids, laser hair removal, gynecomastia removal, testicular implants, hell, even most HRT goes to cis people. All GAC. A long wig for a female cancer patient. Reconstruction surgery for a guy who gets his junk mauled by a pitbull.
Most puberty blockers go to cis children too btw, and have for decades.
...specifically ones with precocious puberty, because hitting puberty at say 4 can have some lifelong detrimental effects.
I believe it, as someone who hit puberty at all.
You know how the coward insecure snowflake that is elon had a receding hairline and now no longer does? That is gender affirming care.
Gender-affirming care/medication more commonly given to cis people than it is given to trans people. Mostly because the trans* population is in reality very small, it just feels like there is more trans people than there really is because they are hated on so much and so loudly. The biggest problem that that most people don't recognize cis gender affirming care as "gender affirming", because the term is applied to heavily to trans* healthcare and not at all used for cis healthcare unless you are in a scientific setting. These types of experiments named here are in reality run for cis people, not trans, because hormones can effect so many things and its not very widely studied how they interact with many medications, like HIV medications.
Hormone therapy is used for a variety of reasons that are not necessarily gender dysphoria. Hormones have a HUGE effect on all aspects of your body and cis or trans* a hormone imbalance can be horrible.
Lots of cismen take testosterone as they get older because as they age their body does not generate as much as it did when they were younger. Insufficient levels of testosterone in men may lead to abnormalities including frailty, accumulation of adipose fat tissue within the body, anxiety and depression, sexual performance issues, and bone loss.
Conversely lots of ciswomen will take estrogen and progesterone to counter the effects of menopause, when their bodies start to produce less hormones. Lack of estrogen for women can lead to many of the menopause symptoms such as irritability, brain fog, hair loss, joint pain, weight gain, bone loss, hot flashes and cold sweats.
Many cancers are also hormone fed, most common would be hormone positive breast cancer. AFAB Breast cancer survivors cannot take estrogen or progesterone hormone therapy like most cis women can because it increases the chances of it feeding the tumor. Testing if they can take testosterone is still very new in the research process, considering they didn't start doing ANY hormone therapy research until after the turn of the century.
Other examples of cis gender affirming care is hair plugs, breast implants, breast reconstruction after mastectomy, any type of genital reconstruction, gynecomastia treatment for cismen, and so on...
TL:DR These experiments are for cis medical care, not trans. The only reason they were targeted is because of the phase"trans" and the phase "gender affirming".
This article is a good breakdown.
https://www.wcpo.com/transgender-mice-fact-check-trump-2025
The transgenic mice thing is for one of the several studies listed which I think we're justified in highlighting and poking fun of their lack of QA and reading comprehension in these releases since they're supposed to be representing the US and acting like drunken college students doing their homework the night before it's due.
The other studies are on the affects of HRT or "gender-affirming therapy" which is used by cis people all the time. Ever heard of a cis man going to get testosterone because he's concerned about his low T? That's gender affirming therapy. Most cis people don't realize how much "trans healthcare" affects them too. Some of this research is specifically on "cross sex" hormones and is probably more directly applicable to the trans community, but it also likely has broader implications on the science of hormones and side effects for everyone regardless of if they're cis or trans. This is one of several reasons why we say trans rights are human rights.