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14-year-old gang raped, cut into pieces while alive and burned in furnace.
(timesofindia.indiatimes.com)
this post was submitted on 05 Sep 2023
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Those are the type of crimes I would give a death penalty exception for.
These are the types of crimes where I don't think a quick execution is fair
I was thinking of one day to let the victim's close ones do what they want with the demons, but I'm not sure what that would do with their psyche afterwards.
I do beleive in restorative justice but I do wonder ocassioanlly if we haven't gone too far into the concept that vengeance has zero place in justice
Yes, we have.
You should consider joining Isis.
Maybe not, but it is a humane thing to do, and it removes the problem.
Yeah. Torture is fine, so is a simple bullet to the back of the head.
Whichever is a bigger deterrent for these crimes should be enacted.
people don't commit these crimes with the expectation that they're going to be caught. I don't know how serious you are but I find it a little disturbing to condone torture
What do you think would be a more effective deterrent?
Sorry reality disturbs you. Let me know when you think of something better. It looks like these people weren't deterred by the possible consequences of their actions.
Anything but giving governments the power to torture people.
Alright. That's not a suggestion, but ok.
Knowing that one's existence will cease if they commit such crimes should serve as a sufficient deterrent.
It doesn't, though. There's no evidence that the death penalty serves any sort of deterrent. It isn't a punitive measure, it's vengeance. If you're ok with vengeance I respect your opinion though I disagree, but we can't pretend it's anything but vengeance.
I believe the use of the death penalty in severe cases isn't driven by vengeance; it's more about preventing the individual from causing harm to others in the future. It's important to recognize that not all criminals can be successfully rehabilitated, such as psychopaths or serial killers.
However, if the death penalty were to exist, I believe it should be carried out by the person who pronounces the verdict personally. This would ensure that such a grave decision is not made lightly.
Could you not prevent them from causing additional harm by not killing them? What if you're wrong? There's plenty of reason to leave them alive, but only one real reason to kill them, and that reason is vengeance.
Are you familiar with how the psychopathic mind functions? They lack empathy, and I don't mean it in a pejorative sense, no, I mean it literally.
Psychopaths are hard to reason with due to their lack of aforementioned empathy, manipulative nature, impulsivity, shallow emotions, and absence of remorse.
If they killed once, they will kill again.
What about torturing them?
As a society, we should strive to be better than the people we judge for their crimes. Torturing people is just wrong, cruel, and unnecessary.
I'm sorry you feel that way. Maybe when you get more life experience, you'll realize that most scumbags will only avoid engaging in heinous acts if the deterrent for doing so is appropriate.
If that was a deterrent you wouldn't have people still working for Mexican cartels, would you?
Let's say we do decide to torture murderers. Who is going to torture them? Are we going to pay for these people to have therapy (because they're really going to need it)? How would you feel if you found out your next-door neighbour tortures people for a living? What do we do when we find out, years later, that we've been torturing an innocent person?
I think you need a little more life experience so you can realize that things aren't as simple as you seem to think they are.
Gee, how did we ever do it in the past? It's never been done before, lol.
Study history, then come back.
Ah yes, what could go wrong with doing things the way they were done in the past?
You were arguing that it was impossible.
Now try to say something of substance.
You were arguing that it was the right thing to do.
Now try to say something of substance.
Sure, bud.
Goodbye.
Who are you talking to? That was my first comment here.
For some cases there are no doubts and yet mistakes can still happen. This video was a great discussion on the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30_hfuZoQ8&t=0
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Look at you go Nazi boi, so tolerant
Bad troll.
Not for nothing, but in the US, the pedophiles that end up in the prison system are very likely to experience hell on earth as the other inmates will certainly not be a fan of theirs. It's like some criminal pecking order. I have no idea if that's a thing outside the US, but maybe...
Even murderers have families and kids, and then there's the whole non violent offender population.
This is almost certainly a myth. Prisons are full of rapists and pedophiles, nobody cares. The only actual code of ethics criminal organisations have is no snitching or defrauding because it hurts them, that's all they care about.
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/jmajby/how-jared-fogle-will-get-treated-in-prison-820 https://cavemancircus.com/2022/12/12/what-happens-to-pedophiles-in-prison/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3rkNMjXvXM
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If a claim is made that anecdotal evidence is incorrect then presenting anecdotal evidence does not refute that claim. Even worse your sources basically say that it's not really a big deal, because it isn't. Criminals really don't care what you have done so long as you don't hurt them.
Yes, and you have presented a giant pile of conjecture, followed it up with a bunch of judgment, and then made a major effort to let us know how much insight you have, without actually providing any insight. Way to go, Jasory!
Even a bit of personal experience goes further than a pile of conjecture spewed from an internet "know it all."
On what basis do you determine that my claims are not sourced? You have no information that my claims are less credible than those of the interview subjects. They are both unsupported and anecdotal at the worst; however you can actually find information on prison socialisation in academic papers and they largely support my claims. Swindlers are treated worse than sex offenders because this idea of moral code among criminals doesn't really exist, they only care if you harm them directly.
"Made a major effort to know how much insight you have"
Where? Do you even understand what this sentence you wrote even means? Until this reply, I never claimed having a source of insight or argued for why my statement is correct. I merely made a statement that the common notion of "honor among thieves" doesn't really exist, and personal stories aren't sufficient to prove that it does. I do have personal experience with this, so technically my claims have just as much basis as the random people interviewed. However this is irrelevant because there are better sources than personal stories.
Additionally if you think that anything in this discussion is a "major effort", you have abysmally low standards. Writing one or two paragraphs is highly trivial.
You made a profound statement, almost of fact. "This is almost certainly a myth". This is your argument statement, it's your conjecture and your major effort to show the audience your insight.
Stop back peddling.
You presented no sources of any kind, and then you started turning things into a research paper where I needed to submit my work in MLA format for the professor. I gave you people's experiences; you replied with a mouth full of shit (conjecture) with no basis of any kind other than your claimed philosophical knowledge.
No, sir, you seem to have a very, very high opinion of your intelligence. You are also very insecure with this opinion. Just one glance at your social history shows how hard you try to let everyone know how much higher your intellect is than theirs. It's problematic when you spout unfounded conjecture as fact; it's worse when you believe the bullshit coming out of your shit box.
I don't give two fucks how many papers on thieves you have written, or what your criteria are for the conversation because the first two sentences out of your mouth are pure elitist garbage. Go back to your hole of correcting the internet Jasory, I have no time for your bullshit.
Not enough. Too easy. I prefer to give this people years of torture under constant medical control
I love how this community is extremely against death penalty to the point of brigading posts here, but as soon as the skin pigmentation goes even slightly darker than tan, those people are nowhere to be seen.
No its just a fucking horrible crime. I still dont agree a death sentence should exist.
I've been talking to people against the death penalty for awhile now, and they almost always make exceptions for child rapists.
Then that means, in principle, they are not against the death penalty.
Yeah, I know.