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[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 120 points 1 week ago (6 children)

If they think Doctor Who has "gone" woke, they have not been watching.

I remember Captain Jack Harkness flirting with anything that moves, regardless of gender identity or species.

[–] anomoly_@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago

The last time I was sentenced to death, I ordered four hyper-vodkas for my breakfast. All a bit of a blur after that... I woke up in bed with both of my executioners. Lovely couple, they stayed in touch! Can't say that about most executioners.

[–] Pronell@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately his behavior continued on set. Creepy dude.

But his character wasn't meant to be creepy, and I need to remember that from time to time.

[–] nadiaraven@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 29 points 1 week ago

Context fwiw:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/john-barrowmans-scandals-full-jaw-33702480

My opinions: Was he called out for exposing himself and being incredibly inappropriate? Yes.

Has he apologized and faced consequences? Yes, multiple times, but maybe not enough for some.

Is he a sexual predator? Probably Not.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I have to disagree a bit here, the recent writing has tried to very heavily shoe-horn it in, whereas in the past it was much more naturally present.

I think the worst one for me (before I quit watching) was with the enormous spiders in the hotel run by a very Trumpian figure.

"Trump" wanted to just shoot the enormous spider, but the Doctor stopped him saying "no weapons, ever". The spider then died an agonizing death caused by suffocation on-screen mere seconds later. Her offspring was lured and locked into a storage room with food, after which they would surely either cannibalize themselves or starve. Actually shooting them would've been a mercy at that point.

When presented with the Doctor's solution versus the "Trump" solution, I felt more sympathy for "Trump". And I fucking hate that guy. That's when I knew the writing just wasn't for me anymore.

There's a reason even the more diehard Whovians, who are very much considered "woke" are tuning out. It's not the cast, it's the writing.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Doctor has been pretty anti-gun for as long as I've been watching. Honestly I just felt the Chibnal era lost a bit of magic, less campy/extreme/wild ride feeling to it. The first new season I thought was pretty decent.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago

True, but that translated into anti-violence most of the time. Here there was a chance to either give the creature mercy and kill it quickly, or let it suffer a horrible painful frightening death. At that point, what is exactly the ethical choice?

I thought the new run opened fairly poorly. Imo most of the issues I have with Who writing are still there.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago

I have to admit I kinda stopped following the series after Capaldi left.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Arachnids in the uk was 7 years ago, with a different cast, a different show runner, hell a different production company and channel.

So if it was the one that made you quit watching, how can you opine on the current run?

[–] seventythreeyards@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Arachnids in the uk was 7 years ago

Oh ffs I wasn’t ready for that gut punch.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago

wait until you hear about eccles' season....

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago

It made me quit watching Jodie's run (which is too bad, because I like her). I gave it a other go when Ncuti took over, and I really enjoyed most of Tennant's quick stint. But unfortunately after that the bad writing took over again and Ncuti also was saddled with some bad stories.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 points 1 week ago

Only the commissioning channel has any bearing on content.

[–] Dragonborn3810@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So that was during Chris Chibnalls era of running the show, which is, well, shit (good video about it, its long though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8_A7n83Rh0 )

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago

Yeah but my biggest criticisms haven't changed during Ncuti's go at it either. Not that he can help it much, he too gets crappy writing.

There was a brief resurgence in apparent good writing when Tennant took over, though the final faceoff with the Toymaker was deeply disappointing. Loved seeing Catherine again though, she was amazing in the 2nd episode.

[–] dumbass@leminal.space 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

These are the same people who say Star Trek has gone woke.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

Or that Rage Against the Machine has gone political

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm laughing at the "people just hate the bad plots" my bean i am a classic who fan. I have been since it was still on the air. I have seen shit that would melt their tiny minds.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ken Dodds on fire off the shoulder of Butlins.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

give me dat sweet sweet honey

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 1 week ago

They had a black astronaut in 1966.