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Mexico’s supreme court has decriminalized abortion across the country, two years after ruling that abortion was not a crime in one northern state.

That earlier ruling had set off a grinding process of decriminalizing abortion state by state. Last week, the central state of Aguascalientes became the 12th state to decriminalize the procedure. Judges in states that still criminalize abortion will have to take account of the top court’s ruling.

The supreme court wrote on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, that it had decided that “the legal system that criminalized abortion in the Federal Penal Code is unconstitutional, [because] it violates the human rights of women and people with the ability to gestate.”

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[–] cogman@lemmy.world 180 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Pretty crazy. Mexico has traditionally been VERY catholic. The fact that it has become more progressive than the US on women's rights really speaks volumes about how terrible the US has become.

I suspect a LOT of abortions happening down in the west texas town of el paso.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 80 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty crazy. Mexico has traditionally been VERY catholic. The fact that it has become more progressive than the US on women’s rights really speaks volumes about how terrible the US has become.

In some ways it might be about sending a clear signal that they arent interested in following the political or cultural leadership of the US.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fuck. You mean trump actually made [North] America great again?

[–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Mexico is finally gonna pay for the wall. The wall to keep fleeing Americans out of Mexico.

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How many Ds in those chess? We may never know...

[–] Gee2oo40@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

How many Ds in Vs is the question

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Now we just need a wall on Kentucky's border with Tennessee.

[–] HoustonHenry@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Nonono, in SPITE of! 😆

[–] Aarrodri@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They also legalized same sex marriage a while ago. Yes they are religious but they are not "bible belt fundamentalists".. there is also universal healthcare. Did you know several American doctors go study there and just come back to pass the exams? Mexico had it's problems but it's not as bad as they make it seem here. Most immigrants that come here are at the bottom of the barrel of the economical scale.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It seems even the pope is more progressive than American right now.

[–] BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Legitimately wild for the Pope to point blank call the US regressive.

Not out of hypocrisy (though, yeah - solidarity with survivors and the colonised) - but because he was actually really justified in what he said to reach that.

Wild. Absolutely wild. The US is so comically bad faith a society even the pope can eloquate why it's awful.

[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Because like 40% of our people are literally insane and living in a different reality

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

It boggles my minds that in the USA the catholics are considered the reasonable christians.

[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The pope doesn’t do shit agains his organisations centuries long paedophilia problem.

Not even the US is that bad.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

You don't have to literally be a pedophile to be truly truly terrible, there's lots of ways to be that.

That is to say, that does not excuse anyone. "At least we didn't fuck children" is not a defense or an excuse. The deeper right wing in the US still utter scum that needs to be shown the door and then have a fence built after them (and make them pay for it!) to make sure they don't come back. Independent of whether the vatican state tried to cover up the church's massive and systemic pedophilia.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

The sbc has a vastly worse pedophilia problem, has for decades, but they can cover it up well because they drive the girls to suicide because nobody would ever believe a good man like their daddy touched them there.

[–] Naminreb@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

Mexico’s constitution always allowed for abortions in cases of rape or danger to the mother or fetus.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well, most Americans are progressive on the issues, including abortion, but due to absurd things like the Electoral College, and the way our power is distributed through states and the way in which rural areas have much more influence than they should, conservatives are given way too much power in relation to their numbers.

[–] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

But without that, the majority would be tyrants!

But... But democracy. And the land of the free! Say it ain't so...

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh please, if we didn't have the electoral college the south wouldn't be able to serve as the moral compass of the country and couldn't guide us away from such evils as slavery and racism.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Catholics might be against abortion, but they are no where near as vocal as some other Christian sects in the US.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also the Catholic church believed abortions were fine until ~5 months for a long time.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's absolutely not true, it was just viewed as a sexual sin before. The catholic church has been against abortion since the 1500s, arguably you could even say it goes back to the early 600s when they tried to find ways to distance themselves from pagans. It wasn't until the late 1960s when public opinion changed about it being a sin against taking life, then I believe in the 70s the Pope made a public statement, which made it canonical.

As a random side note, St. Thomas of Aquinas take on fetal status was kind of interesting. He viewed a fetus as having 3 states or "souls"; a vegetative soul, an animal soul, and finally a rational soul once the body was completely developed.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

" In 1591 the new Pope Gregory XIV reversed the decision, declaring abortion to only be homicide if it took place after ensoulment, which he determined took place 166 days into a pregnancy, or well over halfway through the second trimester. This decision lasted for 278 years until Pope Pius IX reversed the decision yet again in 1869 and made abortion after conception a sin that automatically excommunicated those involved in its procurement from the Catholic Church."

166 days would be over 5 months.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

From at least 1500s on it was never "fine" it has always been a sexual sin, that can lead to excommunication from the church. How that works in practice is extremely regional. Even prior to the 1500s it was still an excommunicable offense in most areas, there just isn't documented policy that I know of.

I also love how whatever quote that is from is using the word "trimester" in relation to something from 1591 when the US Supreme Court coined the term centuries later.

[–] candybrie@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They use trimester to make it meaningful to modern readers, not to imply the rule used that language originally. Like if you were to say "a cubit, or about a foot and a half."

[–] ronalicious@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

did you fall in love with a Mexican girl?