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Easier to paste my response to someone else that responded with the same thing:
I have a hard time accepting that just because, conserves are being conservatives, it’s seemingly fine that they do this shit. We’ll just all be outraged at the audacity of four idiot democrats that voted in lock-step with them.
All of them need to be held accountable. ALL of them.
But here, when all I see are people ignoring the villains, it makes me wonder why I ever bothered to question how we got here.
Conservatives have survived on their ability to never be held accountable for what they do. And seeing everyone focused on holding four democrats responsible for their joint effort with 16 conservatives and not even mentioning the assholes that drew this up to begin with-
I guess it all makes more sense now how thoroughly we are fucked.
It’s totally Democrats fault.
Except that’s not what’s happening. The Republicans voted like you’d expect them to vote, hence not news. The so-called Democrats betrayed what their voters expected of them.
Same reason it’s new when a small number of Republicans voted against the rest of the party and Trump.
It's my fucking party that I'm a fucking registered member of. Don't tell me I can't be madder at them for literally stabbing me in the back instead of fighting my opposition like they were supposed to do.
It's a perfectly justified reaction to be madder at betrayal. Don't be a clueless moron.
lol… okay. You can be “madder” at them all you want. Blame the democrats and not the conservatives that drew up the bill and unanimously passed it. Be my guest.
You’re only falling for the exact thing that has enabled them to continue doing shit like this to begin with.
Why is it they so many of you can’t ever debate a topic without telling someone who they are, what they do, or what they think?
Nothing at all about what you said is remotely accurate. And your little ‘what if’ scenario is laughably ignorant and meritless.
The next time, maybe try having an argument that carries weight instead of personal attacks and wildly inaccurate assumptions.
Jesus indeed.
You mean like how you go around telling people they don't blame Republicans if they point out something Democrats do?
I'm not telling you who you are, you are telling me who you are. Tell me how my hypothetical is not appropriate?
That's not how debating works. You don't take my analogy and say "that's meritless." You prove it to be meritless.
See let me spell it out for you like it's a standardized test.
In my analogy:
Burglar :: Republican
Cops :: Democrats
Dog :: My trust
Shooting :: voting against my interest
Is that clearer for you?
It’s meritless because it makes assumptions to prove a point.
And if you look back, YOU jumped into this discussion being defensive as if I was talking to you directly, then you go on to play the victim of shit I didn’t even say.
If you want to think this is on the democrats because four of them voted along with 216 conservatives that not only voted for it- but drafted it to begin with, be my guest.
I’m simply asking for the reasoning.
And since not one fucking person stepped up with any reasoning without personally attacking me for asking- I’m left to think that there really isn’t any reasoning amongst any of you to begin with.
Reasoning was provided, you seem to be incapable of processing analogies and reasoning. You just did the same thing again. Why is it meritless? Because it's meritless. You have none of the requirements necessary to even hold a discussion. All you do is circular nonsense.
Here, let me ask you a very simple question and go from there.
What is the job of a congressmen? In the simplest terms you can think of.
I’m not getting into this with you, I asked a simple question, you’re looking for an argument. Nothing I say is going to be acceptable and no attempt to even try and understand is going to be made. So it’s best to end this here.
You’re free to assume all you’d like about my choice in ending this- but for the record, the reason is just that I’d rather not argue about it.
Yeah, that's about what I expected. Discussion and understanding between two parties is a two way street. You've provided vague refutations with no specifics. Claimed assumptions without stating what those are. I don't even know what point you're trying to make aside from telling people they are wrong for feeling a certain way about something.
You expected me to bow out because you’re looking for an argument?
Weird.
I was expecting you to not answer a single question I asked earnestly with any detail or specificity.
Well, if your expectations are based on previous situations where you entered a discussion that wasn’t directed at you and you acted with a similar defensive aggression, I suppose I can see how you’d have predicted my reluctance to discuss anything with you.
Learn how to talk to people that you disagree with. It’s a very valuable life skill.
Oh forgive me for participating in a public conversation, I didn't realize I hacked into your DM's between you and that fellow. Thanks for moving the goal posts though. Maybe you should have just said that in your first reply.
You're totally right though, I'm the defensive one. Your not displaying classic projection or anything of that sort. Yet you keep responding here despite STILL refusing to answer a single question that's been asked of you.
Here's what it felt like conversing with you thus far.
"You're wrong."
"Why?"
"Because you're wrong, stop talking to meeeee!"
"Can I have some reasons why you think I'm wrong?"
"Because you're wrong! What part didn't you understand?!"
"Can you give me specifics?"
"Reeeeee! I'm not talking to you!"
But you are. You're just not saying anything.
So if I refuse to fall for your debate trolling, I’m suddenly “moving goalposts,” and “displaying classic signs of projection”.
Toss in “virtue signaling” and we’ll have the trifecta of accusatory psychobabble- but I suppose your weird little fantasy conversation between us can be a place-holder for that.
Either way, no. You lost this one the moment you barged in with your own little “REEEEEEEEE!” when I wasn’t even talking to- or about you. I knew right away that it would be a wasted effort.
And there’s no crime in simply responding in defense to your accusations. Stop blindly accusing me of whatever you think will stick, and this discussion will be over.
It’s up to you.
Interesting, now you knew right away all sorts of things. And yet here you are still yapping away. So what does that mean, you're some kinda masochist? Who is trolling who? All I asked of you was to tell me what assumptions I made in my analogy and you've exerted tremendous effort to not answer. And you keep bringing up that you weren't talking to me. That's not how this format of public discourse works. Are you new to public forums or something? Plenty of people jump in at various points in a thread and it creates many forks. I can draw you a diagram if that would help you.
No. I knew right away because It’s pretty easy to tell when someone barges into a discussion, aggressively defending themselves against accusations that weren’t even levied against them.
And by the way- I’m pretty sure “yapping away” isn’t a trait commonly known to be possessed by masochists. So, I’m not certain what this mess was about, but it does lend to my theory that you’re just throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks.
Considering that I told you some time ago that I’m not open to discuss this topic with you as I don’t believe you’re here in good faith and only want to argue, and you keep accusing me of things in order to continue arguing, I’d say you’re the troll here. I’m simply giving you the grounds to prove it.
It’s funny how you have taken note of this, but not the fact that I’ve told you several times that I don’t wish to discuss this with you because I don’t believe you to be here in good faith to discuss it. And yet- you continue to respond to antagonize and accuse- thus proving my point.
That is probably because I wasn’t.
One would think that in the “format of public discourse” if one is asked to drop it because the other doesn’t wish to discuss it with them, that they would drop it. But here we are.
And the fork you created is one in which you became immediately defensive and aggressively attacked a point I wasn’t even making with meritless pretend discussions. That’s childish rhetoric. I don’t debate against childish rhetoric. This will have to be okay with you.
It would. Your next response had better contain one or I will be disappointed. And make it pretty.
So someone can't write an article about the four of them? Are there no other articles just reporting the decision? Should we not know?
So many posts on here just blaming the right. Should there be none on how some Dems are not voting for the people?
I did vote, you are choosing to fall for propaganda that was desigend to make you hate young and poor people.
If you voted for the Democrats, then my post wasn't directed at you.
When you reply to my comments it is directed at me
Blocked troll
byeeeee