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Top Trump official Stephen Miller's recent declaration that anyone who "preaches hate for America" will face deportation has ignited alarm online, with critics warning the statement disregards First Amendment protections.

Social media users and legal analysts raised immediate concerns, pointing out that expressing dissent or criticism of the government is protected under the First Amendment. Some worried the administration was veering into authoritarian territory.

The backlash has reignited broader debates over the limits of free speech, especially as civil liberties fall under scrutiny. While immigration enforcement remains a core theme of President Donald Trump's platform, critics are increasingly questioning whether rhetoric like Miller's is a precursor to more aggressive suppression of dissent.

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[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 121 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -Theodore Roosevelt

[–] witnessbolt@lemm.ee 47 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

They ARE traitors. Russian-backed, Nazi-seig-heil throwing traitors. They aren't joking about wanting to jail liberals. They 100% mean it.

They've been prepped to be fine with it since they started calling "liberalism a mental disorder."

Straight Russian propaganda. The Kremlin wants to stamp out western liberal democracy. MAGA's the push to destroy America

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 6 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Why have the billionaires not prevented it? Project 2025 was known. Billionaires will lose huge parts of their wealth when the USA collapses and Russia or China take over.

[–] witnessbolt@lemm.ee 17 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Billionaires are not our allies. And some of them are genuinely stupid enough to have thought they could contain what was going on that it was just gonna be more tax cuts for them. They, like the public, didn't all actually believe it would be true. They are not inherently smarter or more immune to propaganda than we are.

They just have more access to information - if they don't surround themselves with people that are only yes men and such.

Other billionaires are betting on the collapse, and are willing to take less monetary power, to have more literal power if they can create their own city states. Literally what they're hoping for.

They are short sighted, stupid, arrogant, heartless... and, many, traitors.

Some need to be made an example of.

But we accept those who ask for forgiveness. I'm not saying to actually forgive them. Or to re-establish normal lives with them. Other people can do that work.

But they do have to have SOME kind of off-ramp, or you might as well be making the same arguments that MAGA are when they claim "liberalism is a mental illness and should be jailed."

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Billionaires will be absolutely fine if they never make another penny and even if they lose 99% of their money in some stock market complete and final death. Millionaires are worried, but they aren't the ones with the real power.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It's not the same. Why should they give up their power without a fight? They must believe that they at least maintain their power and wealth.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Yes. They do. And they're right. They'll be fine. Billionaires will be absolutely fine. The stock market crash doesn't worry them. Not even a little bit.

They're still incomprehensibly richer than millionaires in the same way that someone with an office job, a flat, a TV, games console and a car who goes out to eat on the regular is incomprehensibly richer than someone who lives under a piece of sheet metal next to a rubbish tip and scavenges for food.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

cause they didnt think it would fail.

They thought they'd buy the country for pennies on the dollar and carve it up into their own little capitalist nightmare fiefdoms.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

This can't be the plan. Only land with sea ports would be acceptable in that situation. Every other fiefdom would be taxed by their neighbors into poverty unless they unite again.

For sure there are stupid billionaires but the top 100 won't follow a plan that can be rebuked easily.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Vast swathes of the USA is accessible by navigable river ever since the Louisiana purchase. It's one of the three main original reasons the USA was so powerful economically before Trump.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

This only works if the rivers aren't taxed. How could anybody trust that that doesn't happen? That's why I specified sea ports.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

because you enter an economic cold war, very much like trump is doing right now with china, where the port people demand taxes, and the middle america people just embargo them and don't give them any food/minerals/etc.

and you see how much they are loving that happening right now.

They don't want to fuck eachother. They just want to fuck you and me.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That's the beauty of a port, the port people can get everything from China or the rest of the world. Of course, likewise, the midle america people can build railroads.

That's a very interesting game, but I doubt that the billionaires want to play it.

[–] witnessbolt@lemm.ee 1 points 9 hours ago

Stop pretending that people who hoard more money & power than entire countries and have to abuse countless workers to get there have the same level of rational thought as you and me.

It's like the idea of being a king. When you can, at will, throw folks in jail... it messes you up. It changes how you view the world and your role in it.

Then remember that it's not like these guys all just went "I'm a billionaire. That's it. I won. I'm done"

They kept chasing money and kept growing. They kept chasing power. You realize that some of them are thinking about more than just being an influential billionaire, right?

Once again


some of them want their own cities. Look up "freedom cities." Trump has stated, in a 2-3 minute camera clip, that he would like to auction off federal land to billionaires for them to run their own cities. It is unsaid but implied that they would get to make the laws there.

It's literally what Peter Thiel has been trying to accomplish for the rich & wealthy for decades.

"I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible." -Peter Thiel

The only thing these right wingers mean when they say freedom is the freedom for rich people to screw the rest of us even more.

Power. And. Money. Corrupt. You know the saying. It's not a meme, buddy. We have thousands of years of history to show us how often rich & powerful go looney

Hint: it's most of the time

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

Ok, but what about critics of the zio regime? Both "parties" agree that they should be kidnapped and encaged, right?

[–] witnessbolt@lemm.ee 9 points 17 hours ago

Nope. Jailing anyone without due process/etc is un American. We talked before.

We are on the same side. If you're not a bad actor, I encourage you to take a more constructive approach to this discussion.

When Hamas very first attacked, I was on Israel's side. Not everyone is as educated on Israel's influence on our politics/etc. (fuck Israel. They can figure shit out on their own. I don't want to fund genocide. Period.)

[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 7 points 16 hours ago

Zionist Democrats want to fine you and repress you in financial ways. They want to "tut tut" you for being anti-Semitic.

Zionist Republicans want to put you (and immigrants, and LGBT, and dissenters) in a death camp.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

bUt wHaTaBoUt……