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Please, point to some ceasefire violations.
Please point to a source that isn't RT propaganda. Look it up yourself. I know you choose your facts, even if untrue.
It's very funny you say that because whenever I peek into the lib instances, you guys are always sharing the latest stories from Pravda UA and Kyiv Post with breathless credulity. I guess when you get all your information straight from one side's press corps, it's easy to assume everyone else does the same.
Your response to someone asking for a source to your claim is to ask them for a source to your claim?
I'm just asking you to provide an example of what Putin thinks of ceasefires
Okay, a very quick search from a few sources slightly more reputable than Russian state media.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-ukraine-russia-ceasefire-trump-zelensky-b2736144.html
https://www.politico.eu/article/kremlin-vladimir-putin-volodymyr-zelenskyy-donald-trump-kremlin-crimea-ukraine/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/28/vladimir-putin-declares-72-hour-may-ceasefire-in-ukraine-war-to-mark-ww2-anniversary
Or how about that putin is the aggressor as well and attacked under a pretext of training and then a 'special operation'?
The sources of these pieces are literally the Ukrainian government itself. The journalists reporting based on these sources work for some of the richest people on the planet. If you think RT isn't reputable for being Russian state media, you cannot seriously assert that The Ukranian government and the private mouthpieces of billionaires are even slightly more reputable. Ukraine especially has been known widely for making shit up, even NATOids admit this.
this is a really misinformed and reductive understanding of the situation. this is a conflict that has been happening since 2014, and arguably much longer if you consider that Ukraine is being used as a proxy by NATO which was literally founded to be an aggressor against the Russians and their allies before most of us were born.
oh are we playing "libs do quick google searches and link the first results where the headline looks like it might vibe with some claim in the vicinity of theirs and the informed have to actually read what they are throwing out there in order to respond to it" again? It's a gish gallop every time.
Well, it is the dumb ask for easy to find resources
except that the sources you linked are "literally the Ukrainian government itself" as the other commenter pointed out but you didnt even respond to that. Are you at least going to assert that the ukraininan government and the private mouthpieces of billionaires are more reputable than russian state media? Or are you just going to blow past that and pretend you actually presented an argument?
Also did you read the articles at least? Did you read them in full before linking them?
Ordinary libs don't read past the headline. They believe what they want to believe - and what they want to believe is their self-righteousness, manufactured by US/Western propaganda press. They don't even try to look into the other side's version.
I like this sub, because a whole lot of struggle and no sources or answers from the tankies
How do you read all that and come to this conclusion?
Like, it’s genuinely impressive how low-intelligence you are. I bet you felt zero cognitive dissonance throughout that entire discourse.
You’ve literally been made a clown of and proven wrong at the most basic level, and yet you proclaim your grand intellectual victory.
Go ahead lil guy, use those logic and facts you’re so proud of again! You can do it!
Don't bother, there's no point. Even if it made any sense - we neither have the time nor resources to engage with every single smug lib. That's not our strategy.
Yup, keep proving me right. Just another attack. I haven't left any personal comments, kremlin klown
curiously, you also havent responded to the sources you were provided.
also:
not personal.
You come in here with the smuggest fucking attitude, are surprised when people respond in kind and then claim some moral high ground... Get some perspective friend
Do you choose to believe that everyone you argue with is a Russian state employee because it allows you to believe that you're doing something more meaningful with your life than...this?
"That doesn't look like anything to me"
Lol, RT is literally russia
Probably couldn't even find a source to back that one up
?? i know?? hence the reference to russian state media? what even are you trying to say 😂
im also taking this as a "no i havent read them but expect you to"
Okay, well give me something not from Russia that opposes it
Again, why do other people need to provide sources for your spurious claims? You are asserting something and cannot find any evidence to support it, if you had a spine you would then admit you don't know what you are talking about and at the very least be open to other possibilities.
I thought Putin was responding to Ukraine persistently breaking the three Minsk agreements (a ceasefire of sorts), with their ethnic cleansing of ethnic Russians in Donbas.
But what do I know.
Not a lot I guess
Yes, because reddthat libs clearly understand more than what CNN/NBC/ABC/XYZ western propaganda press says. You people were unable to point Ukraine on a map four days before Feb 24, and yet you pretend you're fucking experts on the region and its history, with your stupid smirks and remarks. You ignored the time the US empire (the actual aggressor) conducted two color revolutions in Ukraine, including one that ended in a violent coup in 2014. You ignored the broken promises and Minsk agreements, you ignored 8 years of the AFU shelling the living shit out of people in the Donbass. You ignored the US nazifying Ukraine and pumping it full of NATO weapons, you ignored the US unilaterally torpedoing the INF treaty, you ignored the nuclear-capable Aegis missile systems in Romania and Poland painfully close to Russia's borders.
That's the thing, though - they wanted to start a proxy war, and for that they needed to present Russia as the aggressor while erasing every single thing they did to provoke Russia into some sort of response. Otherwise there is no justification for "helping" Ukraine. Otherwise the narrative falls apart at its seams.
More like 4 including destruction of USSR and creation of Ukraine state to the opposition of 3/4th of its inhabitants and Zelensky being elected as peace and concilliation candidate yet doing 180 and intensifying the civil war.
Give an alternative source then?
Or are you just a tankie blind to thought?
tAnKiE bLinD... Fuck, there's nothing worse than a smug lib
Here you go - we're tired of constantly copy-pasting all the links, go ahead and look into the comment section, you'll find the relevant links there. That is - if you have the guts to look into them.
Edit: here's a bit more - mostly western sources. Still - a tip of the iceberg:
Real problem with the Far-Right, 2017 (?): https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/ukraine-s-got-a-real-problem-with-far-right-violence-and-no-rt-didn-t-write-this-headline/
BBC (UK/Western propaganda), 2014: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30414955
Scheerpost (Germany, liberal western propaganda) https://scheerpost.com/2023/06/06/patrick-lawrence-first-there-were-neo-nazis-then-there-were-no-nazis-then-there-were/
Undermining and Nazifying Ukraine since 1950s https://www.voltairenet.org/article189895.html
CIA - operation AERODYNAMIC https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/AERODYNAMIC%20%20%20VOL.%201_0118.pdf
More on CIA operation AERODYNAMIC https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/AERODYNAMIC%20%20%20VOL.%2017%20%20%28OPERATIONS%29_0063.pdf
CIA poking around trying to learn how to use Nazi collaborators against the USSR - big report https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP81-01043R002300220007-1.pdf https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/03/10/nato-arming-training-nazis-ukraine-azov/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/03/nato-peace-threat-ukraine-military-conflict
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger
https://fair.org/home/what-you-should-really-know-about-ukraine/
https://www.newsweek.com/evidence-war-crimes-committed-ukrainian-nationalist-volunteers-grows-269604
The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/
The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda https://thehill.com/opinion/international/359609-the-reality-of-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-is-far-from-kremlin-propaganda/
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946
https://old.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/unx28k/ukraine_is_absolutely_infested_with_nazis/
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/12/28/403012038/reflections-from-a-jew-at-a-mock-jewish-restaurant
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/allegations-of-canadian-troops-training-neo-nazis-and-war-criminals-sparks-military-review
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/05/02/the-historian-whitewashing-ukraines-past-volodymyr-viatrovych/
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2018/11/23/attacked-and-abandoned-ukraines-forgotten-roma
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-the-upcoming-neo-nazi-concert-in-ukraine-that-no-one-is-talking-about-1.7391007
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/359609-the-reality-of-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-is-far-from-kremlin-propaganda
https://www.rferl.org/a/nationalists-mark-75th-anniversary-of-ukrainian-insurgent-army/28794861.html
Canada memorial to Ukrainian soldiers in Nazi unit removed after protests https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/12/canada-ukranian-nazi-memorial-removed
So there ARE Nazis in Ukraine... But don't listen to Russian propagandists. These are bad guys on our side... https://www.politico.eu/article/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-of-the-ukraine-war/
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/04/07/centuria-ukraines-western-neo-nazi-army/
https://libya360.wordpress.com/2023/09/23/history-of-fascism-in-ukraine-part-iii-1944-1963-upa-war-ratlines-and-the-assassination-of-stepan-bandera/
https://libya360.wordpress.com/2024/02/19/history-of-fascism-in-ukraine-part-iv-the-global-oun-network-in-exile-1962-1992/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2017/sep/04/i-want-to-bring-up-a-warrior-ukraines-far-right-childrens-camp-video
Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1GV2TC/ https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/16/the-u-s-did-not-defeat-fascism-in-wwii-it-discretely-internationalized-it/
Other: William Burns, former ambassador to Russia, today - CIA director https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html
CIA director calls China biggest ‘threat’, says Ukraine war benefits US geopolitically and economically https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2024/02/07/cia-director-china-threat-russia-ukraine-war/
West sabotaged Ukraine peace deal in 2022 https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/12/03/west-sabotaged-ukraine-peace-russia/
Victory isn’t the point for the West, it’s “regime change” in Russia. Biden admitted as much: https://www.npr.org/2022/03/26/1089014039/biden-says-of-putin-for-gods-sake-this-man-cannot-remain-in-power
Ukraine’s Zelensky admits he sabotaged Minsk peace deal with Russia, West blocked negotiations https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/02/10/ukraine-zelensky-minsk-peace-russia/
Zelensky is literally selling Ukraine to US corporations on Wall Street https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/09/09/zelensky-selling-ukraine-wall-street/
CIA and Western special ops commandos are in Ukraine, directing proxy war on Russia https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/06/26/cia-special-ops-ukraine-proxy-war-russia/
NY Times (US Propaganda) - “Commando Network Coordinates Flow of Weapons in Ukraine, Officials Say.” https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/the-spy-war-how-the-cia-secretly-helps-ukraine-fight-putin.html https://archive.ph/kkULs
Ex US official admits Ukraine conflict is NATO ‘proxy war with Russia’ https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/03/24/us-official-ukraine-nato-proxy-war-russia/ - dated 2022-03-24
“America’s Hesitation Is Heartbreaking https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/ukraine-united-states-nato/627052/,%E2%80%9D
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/07/28/west-neoliberal-recovery-conference/
Raise your privileged hand if you’re willing to ‘fight to the last Ukrainian’ https://archive.is/cRNRh
Ukraine's military is shifting to a defensive strategy that failed Nazi Germany in WWII https://archive.is/kBEt6
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-losing-ammunition-battle-forces-being-outshot-by-russia-2024-1
https://archive.is/YjFk5
Ukraine shelling of Russian-controlled city of Donetsk kills 27, officials say https://archive.ph/80AXD#selection-1697.0-1697.78
How do we know if a state is sovereign? They have to report to an imperialist power before firing their top general https://archive.ph/VJhpm
Ukrainian refugee returned to Kyiv due to state of Swansea home https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84jp1g2j71o
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/04/11/world/europe/ukraine-demographics.html
Xi puts forth four principles to resolve Ukraine crisis https://english.news.cn/20240416/9c80882e78b54c9cb94d29aa40d9b0c1/c.html
Looks like as Ukrainian collapse looms, there's now more and more talk of Europe sending troops to Ukraine. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-europe-send-troops-to-ukraine/
Avdeyevka map shows Russia advancing after frontline 'breakthrough' https://www.newsweek.com/avdiivka-map-russia-advancing-frontline-breakthrough-donetsk-1893563
Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements https://consortiumnews.com/2023/02/13/caitlin-johnstone-the-wests-sabotage-of-peace-in-ukraine/ The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine In May of [2022] Ukrainian media reported that then-British prime minister Boris Johnson had flown to Kiev the previous month to pass on the message on behalf of the western empire that “Putin is a war criminal, he should be pressured, not negotiated with,” and that “even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, they are not.”
Yeah ok, but I read on Wikipedia that the 2014 ~~Maidan Coup~~ Revolution of Freedom and Dignity and Peace and Security and Prosperity and Unicorns was cool and good.
Checkmate.
Yeah, you can't argue with that...
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Blasto, I'll go through them, thanms for being the only one to ever give a source.
At an initial read, some look troublesome (damn liberal russian affiliated outlets!) And let's not forget the racism in russia, you know 'the same people'. That is just a distraction, and you know it.
Wasn't it "the West" who came up with the idea of "Asiatic hordes" (which is repurposed Nazi propaganda btw), "orcs" and "untermenschen"? Wasn't it "the West" who spread the narrative of "relatively European, relatively civilized", temporary "white" Ukrainians when it was convenient for them? I don't think you understand what racism is and where it came from.
Historically, racism and "races" were Western European inventions that served the purpose of justifying hereditary slavery and colonialism. Here's an interesting thing - it never went away. One look at Gaza, Palestine or the Arab world in general should tell you as much.
Racism is also believing western "sources" are inherently, magically more trustworthy than any Russian outlets without doing any outside material analysis of the actual details of history. We do not trust either side, we don't have to - we analyze the information through a materialist ideological lens.
This seems like a sarcastic post one of us would make.
Are you seriously proposing that these Western sources are Russian-affiliated just because they disagree with the current narrative? Believe it or not, not everyone that disagrees with you is a foreign agent, and some people that agree with you are US government and allied agents.
Don't forget the brilliant "New Orc Times" thing liberals started doing when their own beloved sources started to turn around. Ah, emotionally investing in ideas never ceases to amaze...
Propaganda is when a news source I don't like says things I don't like. Hard hitting journalism is when a news source I do like says things I do like. I am an independent free thinker.