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[–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 42 points 2 days ago (4 children)

While still a valid callout, these "new chips made out of non-silicon are BETTER in EVERY WAY!" experiments happen about once every 6 months. As it turns out, 10% less energy use isn't compelling enough to convince a trillion dollar industry to completely retool from the ground up, and even without the profit motive that's unlikely to change much.

[–] simontherockjohnson@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

While still a valid callout, these “new chips made out of non-silicon are BETTER in EVERY WAY!” experiments happen about once every 6 months.

China has been on the ball to curb publish or perish pop science bullshit for about 5 years now. They banned incentive and performance structures in universities that rely on publishing rankings.

https://www.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/observations/1/end-publish-or-perish-chinas-new-policy-research-evaluation

Despite this reform, China has maintained it's leadership in paper quality and quantity and is now leading in high-level SME's

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3295011/china-surpasses-us-tally-top-scientists-first-time-report

It's more likely this is real than it was 5 years ago.

[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, it says in the article that this new transistor architecture can be fabricated with existing industrial platforms, so it doesn't seem like it would require a whole lot of retooling.

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

also the game theory logic of

As it turns out, 10% less energy use isn't compelling enough to convince a trillion dollar industry to completely retool from the ground up, and even without the profit motive that's unlikely to change much.

is likely to play out differently outside of a US-style declining capitalist economy combined with China's current situation.

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

is likely to play out differently outside of a US-style declining capitalist economy combined with China's current situation.

I don’t think jaomarromis is saying the profit motive is the biggest factor in making the logistics complicated.

[–] Eiren@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Complicated logistics isn't a problem when we're essentially in an arms race but with computing tech. If the CPC see developing their own semiconductor technology as politically or militarily essential, they will do it, at whatever cost.

The main issue is time. The technology is more useful the sooner it can be implemented.

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Two things why this is different. China controls bismuth. So this is a strategic resource they control and puts them squarely outside of current western restrictions on silicon. They are also currently tooling to get their 3nm forges for silicon off the ground. So they are already undertaking the expense. A bonus third thing: China will develop this if they think it is in their long-term best interest in spite of the cost. It's a cost for them to spend now. If it truly gives them an edge here, then it will be even more painful when the west has to do all that retooling to catch up. Patience is a weapon.

Just to be clear: "China wouldn't dare because it's too costly" is a way the west has consistently underestimated them for 40 years now. This is not something a planned economy worries as much about. They can think more long term. For the capitalist, if you can't profit today, there is no tomorrow.

[–] ghosts@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm no expert, but if it works I can definitely see a use for 40% faster speeds in things like AI server farms and military applications. It's not like they need to roll it out to every phone and dishwasher in the world.

[–] Chump@hexbear.net 17 points 2 days ago

Speak for yourself, my dishwasher can only play Doom 2016. No rest until it can crush Eternal at 144hz high graphics

[–] sgtlion@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago

10% less energy is also a bigger deal than it sounds. Heat dissipation is basically the bottleneck of modern processors. That's why we've shifted to more cores instead.