(One thing I like about it, it manages to pretend Disney sequels just didn't happen, and makes looking directly at Disney SW things optional. And makes a lot of EU references.)

Maybe if you mean on screen, then yes. I still think it's not better than 1977 and 1980.

[–] golli@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'd say it is the best mature star wars piece of media ever made. Because I (today still, but especially my younger self) do love me some good lightsaber fights or large scale space battles, which we didn't get here. Andor not including those is for the better, but I wouldn't want to completely go without them either.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

KotOR II is mature. Last of the Jedi books are mature. X-Wing books ... vary, some are very stupid, but some are very good.

SW EU is kinda big, words like "best" shouldn't be thrown lightly.

But yes, even with the old stuff being so burnt into my brain I can't be impartial, I accept Andor is real Star Wars and it's good.

[–] CCMan1701A@startrek.website 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have to agree, really brings the whole universe alive for me.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Straight up makes the OT into a different, more meaningful story. The rebellion actually has meaning, purpose, construction, and politic.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Eh, we've had books involving characters like Mon Mothma, Garm Bel Iblis, Wedge Antilles, Tycho Selchu, Korran Horn and many others. We've also had comic books. We've had the "Death Star" novel, the previous version, so to say, of how those plans got out initially. The EU path involved a few hops at each of which the rebels were barely able to slip it further, with a few very lucky coincidences. Ending in the transmission to Tantive IV. Except the Rogue one moment with Vader literally having seen the ship and tried to board it, IIRC, was kinda inconsistent with how they talk in the 1977 movie, as if it's still perfectly plausible that Tantive IV has nothing to do with the plans.

I appreciate Rogue One for trying to tread the same path, leading to a good story and maybe more good stories with the same approach, but its not the first on it.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I wasn't saying it was the first. I was just saying that THIS back story, Andor + Rogue One, makes it good in a way that the OT stands worse off without. Andor especially with just how god damn well researched, written, cast, and acted it is. The rebellion is given body, history, and character instead of just existing because it has to because the empire exists. The Jedi's story is improved because of the story of the non-superpowered people on which their quest is given merit and a foundation.

I'm not a big enough SW fan in general to spend my precious little reading time on SW comics and books. I'm sure there's lots of merit in them, but not for me when there's so much else to read in far more interesting universes.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

I’m not a big enough SW fan in general to spend my precious little reading time on SW comics and books.

Yeah, well, your first paragraph reads so impressed that I'm certain you haven't read at least X-Wing books (all my favorite, Stackpole's ones are sometimes too comfortable, Allston's ones are sometimes cringe in technical and logical regards), the Thrawn trilogy (the part of the EU usually recommended first) and the Death Star (to compare the old and the new). I liked Andor, once again, and I would like it without Disney's dark years, but those things were very good and deep too.

I’m sure there’s lots of merit in them, but not for me when there’s so much else to read in far more interesting universes.

To each their own.

[–] TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I started watching the original after Andor/Rogue One and it's amazing how much more depth it adds to the existing story 100%