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As it turns out it doesn't actually cost that much on regular transit, there's an AIRPORT SURCHARGE because it's an "airport train".

No wonder Americans don't use public transit, even when the system exists it's ridiculously difficult and expensive to use.

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[–] shifty@leminal.space 21 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

Imagine working minimum wage in SF and commuting in by BART + BUS / MUNI Lightrail / CALTRAIN / FERRY. Gotta work at least 2 hours just to cover the costs of your commute every day.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 points 22 minutes ago

There is a significantly reduced fare available. https://www.sfmta.com/fares/clipper-start

[–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 14 points 9 hours ago (10 children)

Wait... Employers don't cover travel cost to and from work in America..?

[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago
[–] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago

No they don’t

[–] GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

Where do employers cover the cost of sommuting?

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 18 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

Where do they cover your commuting costs? I've never heard of that.

[–] mogranja@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago

In Brazil, it's pretty common for the employer to pay your transit fare to/from work. Often you can receive the same value directly instead if you choose to use another form of transportation.

[–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 hours ago

Here in Paris, half of our transportation fee (carte Navigo, 87€ per month) is paid by the employer.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

It's common in multiple European countries.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 hours ago

but also not common in multiple european countries

[–] Wazowski@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Shit bruh, even here in the fucked up USA, plenty of places (in cities, anyway) subsidize commutes. My employer pays for half of my public transport costs.

[–] Peaches 5 points 5 hours ago

Pretty rarely, far as I know. I've seen some that cover public transit costs at least. It's more common for them to only reimburse costs for travel during work hours or for business related trips.

[–] Entheon@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Nope, very rarely do you see them cover it at all. That's why we hate our 1+ hour drive commutes.

[–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Wtf? It's normal in the Netherlands...

Public transport will be the whole second class price. By car it is up to 23 cents per kilometer.

[–] Entheon@lemmy.world 21 points 8 hours ago

Gosh that would be nice. Unfortunately we are stuck on simpler issues like "do kids deserve to eat at school", so it'll probably be a while before we get paid commute time.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Many do: I believe there is a tax incentive for them. I’ve only had it while working downtown, and in a white collar job. So not where you’d usually drive to work and not for hourly pay.

Given that there are very few required benefits, it can be fairly regressive. You don’t get help with transit unless you’re an aid enough. You don’t get better health coverage unless you’re paid enough.

[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 hours ago

Not in Canada either

[–] shifty@leminal.space 3 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Not required. SF does have an ordinance to cover some costs depending on the number of employees. But its not some nationwide law.

If you're a fancy tech bro in SF all your costs are covered, health/dental/vision/life insurance, commuting stipend or govt subsidized account you get to put pre-tax money in and the company might match, matching contributions for your retirement 401K. The techbro class doesn't care about the cost of BART, many of them take an UBER for 3-4x the BART faire and not bat and eye at the bill (or use the company UBER account for free). If you're just some random minimum wage worker, you'd be lucky to live within an hour or two commute of SF and afford housing.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Surprisingly it is a national law, but it’s in the tax code as an optional benefit so it’s usually the better part paying jobs that get it, weirdly enough. Scroll to “commuter benefit)

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 6 hours ago

I was a techbro in sf. I worked from home most days, but when I went to the office, I used Bart and my bicycle. It was great. I hate cars.

And, yes, I got the State to refund me for my monthly Bart pass

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 0 points 6 hours ago

They do. You have to apply for it, and there's a ceiling per month.