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[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 26 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Alright, I’ll bite.

Because I would much rather ICE spend its resources preventing IMs from entering the country, rather than rounding up IMs who have been living here peacefully for 20+ years.

Because—and I’m willing to debate the utility of this—a significant portion of our agricultural economy depends on IMs who will work below the standard of living legally required for our citizens.

Because the vast majority of IMs are just people seeking asylum from cartels and/or horrible dictatorial governments and are not a threat to the American way of life.

Because IMs by and large do not “steal” jobs from American workers but rather do jobs most Americans would never consider doing. See said issue with our agricultural sector.

Now, let’s hear your reasons for wanting to spend the immense amount of money necessary to find and deport these people. Because I’m sure your arguments are incredibly well thought out.

[–] SabinStargem 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I would argue that instead of ICE, we should have a vastly expanded IRS to enforce regulations upon businesses. For example, every business is assigned state and federal accountants, who check that the books are legit. These accountants are regularly rotated by the nation, so that companies can't establish "working" relationships with any given accountant, which reduces corruption.

This would increase the amount of money that government receives from the 1%, along with helping prevent wage theft or other criminal activities. Businesses, not migrants, are innately prone to corruption.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I would argue that instead of ICE

Why instead of ICE? These are not mutually exclusive things and they don’t even address the same problems.

[–] Jujugatame@lemm.ee -3 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

The large amount of foreign nationals being exploited due to their illegal status and working in unsafe underpaid jobs is something I'm against from a pro labor position.

The employees who hire and exploit them need to be punished. Who will do this job for the tiny wages? I guess nobody, the wages must go up. More expensive avocados is what we need to settle for, instead of exploiting desperate foreign nationals. There are no easy painless solutions here.

Maybe I am naive in thinking ICE is going after the criminal element that exists in the illegal immigrant community.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Maybe I am naive in thinking ICE is going after the criminal element that exists in the illegal immigrant community.

You are.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago

The large amount of foreign nationals being exploited due to their illegal status and working in unsafe underpaid jobs is something I'm against from a pro labor position.

Fine, but how does rounding them up and deporting them solve this problem?

The employees who hire and exploit them need to be punished.

Again, how do ICE strategies solve this problem?

Maybe I am naive in thinking ICE is going after the criminal element that exists in the illegal immigrant community.

You are. The criminal element in migrant communities is tiny, and the notion that ICE is prioritizing them is bupkis. ICE is sadly comprised mainly of American racists, who use their job titles as a shield for implementing their White nationalist agendas. These aren’t people who are doing what they claim to be doing—protecting our borders against illegal invaders—they’re just trying to keep America’s birth rate mostly White, because they’re scared, xenophobic assholes.

As an American, I fully oppose these douchebags. America is not a White nation. We’re a non-racial nation, made up of everyone, home to everyone, and better for it. Our best quality is the fact that we welcome everyone, and those amongst us who oppose that are the true anti-Americans. Our history is a shit-show, true; but our ideals are worth fighting for. And the people that are anti-immigration are pro-racism, pure and simple.