bit of a "beatings continue until moral improves", isn't it? You don't fix terrorism by fighting terrorists, you fix terrorism by relieving the pressures that push people to terrorism.

[–] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 11 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

You could give chuds everything they wanted and they would still be professional grievance mongers for life. We could bring back chattel slavery, keep women pregnant and in the kitchen, get rid of all other genders and hair colors, set the Rio grande on fire with a river of Saudi Arabian gas and make everyone have to wear a flag pin and they would still find something to rally around and cause the rest of us misery

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

That's the grand irony of chuds; giving them what they want is exactly the sort of thing that exacerbates the stressors and raises the temperature on stochastic terrorism.

For the US specifically, try and get them to pin down when exactly we were "great" and they inevitably point to a time when New Deal policies were stronger, despite being vehemently against those policies.

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Oh, but they're just fascists because of economic anxiety. It's understandable that they're rent is high, so now they want to throw brown and queer people in a meat grinder 😢

We need to remind them how happy they were during the new deal (funded through the birth of American global dominance) when black people were famously excluded from those benefits and Japanese people were in internment camps!

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 2 points 7 hours ago

I think the new deal policies that improved people's living and working conditions could still work without global dominance or racial exclusions. Weather or not the US or whatever succeeds it can be pushed to do that is another matter...

And I don't really think of chuds as outright fascists. They hold conservatives beliefs, but when you only look at their actions, they become indistinguishable from liberals (or any other broad group of americans). Yes, there's potential for them to be radicalized into fascism (and that's where a lot of the selective pressure currently is) but they're not necessarily there yet. It's why I'm pushing back against this "Round up the chuds!" narrative. People who actually hold and act on violent positions on race, sexuality, and/or gender are another matter altogether.