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And those who can't are also producing less carbon overall and therefore getting more back from the carbon rebate program.
The issue is those that cannot make the switch to electric also aren’t in the best spot to pay thr carbon tax. It’s a catch 22 for the poor. Ending the carbon tax for now is a good thing since those that could switched to electric and those that couldn’t won’t be punished.
Weasel words to sneak a change in. Once it's the incumbent state, no one's going to change it back.
Classic conservative shenanigans.
Ending the carbon tax now would result in them having less money available.
That doesn't actually help them.
It's a typical conservative talking point. Take a complex system, make it sound simple, pitch a simple solution (that in reality won't fix anything and actually usually makes thing worse), people who don't understand the complex system latch onto the simple solution, then when the simple solution is implemented it doesn't fix anything but no one questions why.
We see his with conservatives time and time and time again, it's sooo frustrating. I wish the economy was as simple as they claim it is.
How would ending the carbon tax end up with then having less money. A tax directly affecting them ending would give them more money to work into their budget. This is a simple cause and effect. The only people with less money is the government, which lets be honest the carbon tax on heating homes was never a large portion of their budget.
The carbon tax isn't a traditional tax, the money collected is pooled and paid back out evenly to households.
This means as long as a household is producing less carbon than the average, they get more money back from the rebate then they paid into it.
High income people still currently produce significantly more carbon than poorer households. The last time I looked at the numbers, something like 60% of households got more money back from the program, and nearly all poorer households fall into that.
Yes there are likely outlier poorer households who also produce way more carbon, but when looking at the system overall they are the exception and could likely fix their situation by changing their behaviour.
To reiterate, this is not a tax because the income doesn't go into the governments income, reducing the income tax has no impact on government revenue. The majority of poorer households get more money back from the carbon rebate system.
At this point the gov needs to overhaul the tax code tbh.
Maybe so. But once again this isn't actually a tax. Conservatives can call it a tax, and it's clearly working to confuse people and muddy the water. But it's isn't a tax, so cleaning up the tax code is a completely different problem
I would guess it's because ending the carbon tax would end the payment people get paid from it. Majority of people profit from it.