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All these judges know full well that no matter what they decide, it's going to be appealed, first to their state's Supreme Court, then to SCOTUS. Why should any of them put themselves at real personal risk of harassment, intimidation, threats, and actual violence; when they know full well that their ruling ultimately doesn't matter?
What Wallace did, though, was find the fact that Trump "engaged in insurrection." Findings of fact are tremendously more difficult for an appeal to overturn. The ruling about not disqualifying him from the ballot is a legal finding, and that is much more likely to be overturned on appeal. She also used one standard (a "liberally broad" interpretation of the amendment) to find the fact, and then used a much more specific technical reading on the definition of "officer under the United States" to make the legal finding. And she referred to Trump, earlier in the order, as "Chief Exectuive Officer of the Executive Branch."
The legal finding in this ruling is ripe for appeal. On its face, the ruling seems cowardly, silly, and bizarre; I think there's a fair possibility that history will show it to be brilliant.
That's an interesting take. I would love to fast forward to find out what happens. Since IANAL wonder also whether a broad interpretation was chosen for a reason and if so, what it was.
Have a read for yourself, see what you think.
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Ooo. Cool! That's an interesting read (well, I skimmed over a lot of it). Really brings into focus the arguments and rationale for the court findings. Some gold nuggets in there.
I didn't really find the part about broad interpretation but I found the section on understanding what was meant by insurrection and by engagement quite interesting.
There seems to be a very solid basis for interpreting these terms as the court did (based on my years of experience not being a lawyer lol). And Trump's team sounds incompetent.
For example, they argued that the Jan 6 Committee was biased and the report shouldn't be considered trustworthy. But never offered evidence to counter any of its findings. Bruh. Wtaf.
Interesting that the "offices" to be disqualified by the 14th amendment are explicitly listed and exclude the president and vice president. And an earlier version did specifically include those two positions. Fucking hell. Thanks a lot, drafters of the 14th.
It's patently absurd to think that the drafters of this clause intended for it not to apply to President or Vice President -- because they explicitly state that someone who engaged in insurrection cannot be a member of the Electoral College. So ... it's not okay to play a teeny tiny role in selecting POTUS or VPOTUS, but let's make sure that it is okay to actually be POTUS or VPOTUS?
There is absolutely no way that that is the case. It's irrational and ludicrous.
Hopefully that is precisely what the appeal will determine.