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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

My wife is disabled FYI. I get what you are saying, but there is still a good amount of wiggle room in our budget. I also still don't really like the idea of lumping kids, which are a choice with a very clear financial impact, in the same category as dealing with illness and disability. That doesn't seem to be a good faith argument.

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A society where having kids is an unsustainable financial decision is a society that can't continue to exist, and a society where caregiving for someone with a disability or having one yourself makes life impossible is also a society that can't continue to exist.

There are also a ton of other factors that can easily push someone over the edge. "We have lots of wiggle room" is great for you but lots of people don't... And even if someone did make a mistake, why should some small mistake put someone in inescapable debt?

I just think the idea that $150k is fine and everyone who can't make it is an idiot isn't taking in to account the obvious data that shows the opposite.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 11 points 1 year ago

It does always strike me as ridiculous when we live in a world where continuing the existence of the human race is considered bad financial planning. No wonder birth rates are declining massively when the incentives are all on personal productivity and streamlining your life rather than having/raising a family. I don't plan to have children for a number of reasons, but the fact that society is filled with active disincentives certainly doesn't help persuade me otherwise.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kids are not always a choice, especially now that abortion is illegal in so many places.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 15 points 1 year ago

In addition, the idea that if you don't have enough money then you just don't get to have a family seems abhorrent.