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[–] Poggervania@kbin.social 28 points 11 months ago (2 children)

See: Al Gore vs Bush

Also, still miffed about Bernie not being a “good candidate” for the DNC in 2016.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Gore won. He just fucked up by playing by the rules back when people thought that mattered. The brooks brother rioters knew better, and the right wing court put the fix in.

Also, not to be a pill, but nader took a small percentage of the votes in Florida in that election as a progressive. Most of those probally would have gone to Gore, making the bullshit soft coup the GOP pulled off impossible if he wasn't in the race.

First past the post means vote for the lesser evil and pressure the fuck out of them to get the system changed. Thats it. The system doesn't let anything else work.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nader didn't just take a small percentage, he deliberately targeted swing states to sabotage Gore for stepping on the Green Party's turf by running on climate issues.

Literally the green party exists today because they refused to let the usual process 3rd parties swear is the actual reason they exist play out, and let the major party that is closest to them adopt their policies.

And you can see that "fuck you this is my shit!" mentality to a certain degree among modern NoVote "progressives", it isn't enough if Biden literally delivers on everything Bernie said he would and more, because he's "the DNC" and he's not Bernie so it's obviously not good enough and you should still refuse to vote for him.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

it isn’t enough if Biden literally delivers on everything Bernie said he would and more, because he’s “the DNC” and he’s not Bernie so it’s obviously not good enough and you should still refuse to vote for him.

i'm torn between jill stein and cornel west, but if dark brandon returns and actually accomplishes this, i will vote for him. tell your boy to get to work.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

nader took a small percentage of the votes in Florida in that election as a progressive. Most of those probally would have gone to Gore

Absolutely! Steve "three-shirts" Bannon and wealthy conservatives are trying their best to dilute the Biden vote by encouraging/financing RFK, Jill Stein, West and the No Labels party

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

To add in, the court didn't have the authority to intervene. Congress is supposed to decide elections that are tied or otherwise in doubt.

And didn't Gore actually win the recount after all was said and done?

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And didn’t Gore actually win the recount after all was said and done?

Yes but he conceded before then.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Concessions don't have legal force. The legal force is the state secretary. Or SCOTUS giving itself power.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Right but everything moved forward once he conceded.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Nope he conceded on December 13. They day after SCOTUS overruled the state supreme court and every federal court under them.