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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 168 points 11 months ago (5 children)

They call themselves the Party of Lincoln while simultaneously defending the Confederacy.

Baffling.

[–] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world 68 points 11 months ago (2 children)

"Noo, it was about states rights"

"A states right to do what?"

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

Definitely not the state's right to let rich white men own black people. Nope, not that at all.

[–] RoyalEasy@lemmy.ca 55 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I got banned from the /conservative community on .ee because one of those idiots was saying that Democrats are the ones who support the Confederacy.

I posted five pics of traitor flags at Trump rallies and the mod banned me for "bad faith."

He left up the lies that I refuted though, just like a cryptofascist would.

[–] Lianodel@ttrpg.network 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

See, they didn't even play their shitty little game correctly. You don't say the Democrats were the party of the Confederacy. You say the Democrats were the party of slavery. And then you ignore the connection between the Confederacy and Slavery. Then hope no one brings up the Southern Strategy and the obvious realignment.

Obviously it falls apart if you think about it for even a second, but it's not designed to convince anyone. It's designed to sound good to people who won't think about it for even a second, and annoy the people who would.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago

I've been saying for years that it all not making a lick of sense is the point. It's a dog whistle for those on board, and an open insult to everyone else.

[–] Kepabar@startrek.website 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's such an odd argument. It's true that the democrat party is the party pre 20th century that supported slavery rights.

The deep south was a Democratic stronghold until around the 1950s when the party started supporting civil rights and social reform.

At this point the southern wing of the party broke off from the main party.

The Republican party was founded specifically by anti slavery activists in the 1850s and was rather neutral on civil rights issues post civil war until they saw the fracture in the Democrat party in the 1950s and used the opportunity to change their platform to oppose social reform in order to pick up those disenfranchised southern voters.

So saying the democrat party was the party of slavery during the civil war is one of those things that's technically true but has no bearing on the present.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The only thing consistent with conservatives is the cognitive dissonance. They will hold two radically contrary ideas and do the most idiotic mental rationalizing why that usually hinges on them as a person making some arbitrary judgement. They're all unimaginative idiots who should be used for just manual labor.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Nah, there is not internal cognitive dissonance. They say stupid shit to pander to their stupid base, but they are the party of the rich. They know exactly what they are saying; but their goal is, and has always been to advance the goals of the rich.

At the lowest level that means ensuring the rich get richer. At the highest level it means ensuring class and race division, creating a system of oppressive laws that only apply to those who can’t afford to be in their class, and merging their financial interests quite literally with the government (corporatocracy).

They pretend they are against abortion for religious means. They are against abortion because it’s the poor that keep them rich, and they want poor children to be born and join the system.

They pretend they support our troops in defense. They support war because taxpayer money goes directly into their pockets from military defense contractors. Then they consistently vote against veteran’s support bills because they don’t give a shit about the troops.

They say they support small government. But they want the government to consistently get involved to force private corporations to allow their hate speech to flourish.

The list goes on and on.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 11 months ago

Right. Conservative behavior makes a whole lot more sense when you assume they believe rich people deserve to be that way, that other people are inherently bad, and they need to keep them down.

Trick is, they know centrists would never go along with it if they came right out and said that. They don't have enough numbers on their own to implement these policies in a democracy. That's where all the nonsense statements come from. They're preying on people who deeply believe both sides have good and bad points, but who don't have a good filter for junking the bad ones.

[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

Remember that cognitive dissonance actually causes mental health issues even if they are under the surface. These people actually suffer from it.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago

Thank you for using ‘cognitive dissonance’ the right way.

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

No no no you see it's more complicated. No, I can't explain it. I don't fully understand, myself. I can't personally defend the Confederacy but I identify with them strongly and questioning them makes me angry. Instead I'm going to attack you, Joe Biden, communists, and BLM in order to derail the conversation.

(/s)

But also it's not really sarcasm it's more like satire because I truly feel like some Republicans think this way.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Party of Lincoln('s murderer)