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A pirated car would just be a more free way to access the $10k/yr pay wall you live your life behind. Car-dominant infrastructure is vendor lock in.

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[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Features like this really do require a subscription model. This isn’t enabling remote start by pressing a key on your fob. This is sending a request to a server, which connects to a cell tower to broadcast signal saying “turn on this car”. That stuff ain’t free. Someone has to pay AT&T for the data connection.

What BMW was (is?) doing is abhorrent. You’re buying a car with heated seats, and you have to subscribe to hit the button.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Features like this really do require a subscription model. This isn’t enabling remote start by pressing a key on your fob. This is sending a request to a server, which connects to a cell tower to broadcast signal saying “turn on this car”. That stuff ain’t free. Someone has to pay AT&T for the data connection.

Only because they unethically intentionally designed it that way, when they could've just as easily picked a different design that could've worked entirely locally. They are inventing excuses for rentiership.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They almost always do offer a key fob based remote start option in addition to their app based remote start.

[–] macaroni1556@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

Well, the manufacturer rarely does but the dealership often tries to sell them as an added revenue stream.

They vary from OK to dreadful. But it's still an option vs this remote services system if you don't like it.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Also the added bonus of collecting data to sell too

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Then let me have the remote start that has existed for decades as ONE option (without a monthly subscription), and the remote start that requires an entire infrastructure that isn't required for me to look out my window and remote start my car as an option for those who want or need it.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They largely all do. As a factory installed option, or worst case dealer installed but OEM option. Not aftermarket dealer installed, OEM.

https://owners.kia.com/content/dam/kia/us/owners/pdf/2022/2022-Kia-Telluride-Vehicle-Feature-Tips.pdf

see: Smart Key — Remote Start

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

That's Kia - I thought we were speaking more broadly. We drive a Toyota product and were offered nothing but the app. However, to your point that may have been poor salesmanship.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 months ago

Sure, you need to pay for the connection, whether wifi for cell. There's no need for specific servers or computation to take place. Yeah, you'll need to pay for another (low data usage) phone line probably, but that should be it.