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[–] Krono 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

One of the lessons of 2016 is that running a historically unpopular center-right candidate is an easy way to lose to Trump.

Another lesson is that a candidate who skates through the primaries on arguments of electability and "it's their turn" end up being poor candidates in the general election.

Maybe we could learn the lesson that chastising and berating anyone left of center does not win you votes, instead it supresses turnout. It is plain stupidity to go around treating leftists with contempt and hostility but then still expect us to vote lockstep with you.

Sadly it seems the DNC did not learn any lessons, because it's making the same awful mistakes that led directly to President Trump.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Democrats need Trump as much as Republicans do. A big bogeyman like Trump keeps the oligarchy on both sides in power. Republicans can sell salvation, Dems sell fear, they both win, and the general public gets fucked

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social -1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

There it is y'all! Downplay the danger of choosing the Russian useful idiot, conflate "bOtH sIdEs!", and then blame the Democratic party.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

If the Democratic party believed Trump was an existential threat like most people do, they would have run a primary or done basically anything to show they actually thought he was a threat.

Instead, we get useful idiots like you responding, without citations or references, with 'liar' or 'not relevant' to actual historical parallels.

Fucking do some work. Earn the money you're getting paid for this.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Do you see Russians around every corner? This isn't the fucking 1950s where everything that opposed the government was Russia.

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It was exactly the "teach the Democratic party a lesson" which was the only lesson from 2016. Hillary Clinton was not in a popularity contest. And yup, the exact same mistake is being made, but it isn't the Democratic party's to make as organizations don't get a Vote in the General.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

Clinton ignored important Midwest swing States, and ran the most inept election campaign I've ever seen.

It's documented that they spent the next day figuring out that they'd blame the loss on Russian hackers to protect their consultant class.

At this point you are literally ignoring history to preemptively blame a group that isn't responsible for the loss you and everyone else knows is coming.