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[–] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 160 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I'm sure the GOP will be happy to vote for this one in the house. They were perfectly fine with issuing much more for covid PPP loans and forgiving the loans completely. It's so sad we have such a divided nation. We need to get rid of our first-past-the-post voting system, or it will be like this indefinitely.

[–] whatisallthis@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With corporations owning politicians, an education crisis, a housing crisis, and the entire country hating eachother it doesn’t matter what voting system you tack on. We need some sort of reboot as a country on many levels.

[–] crazyminner@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

How about peacefully Balkanizing the continent and letting each geocultural region govern themselves? New England, the South, Appalachia, Pacific Northwest, etc.

[–] crazyminner@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah this would just lead to Nazi/Fascist states and then war eventually. Things would get worse not better.

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The federal government has too much hardware spread out around the country.

[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Except only one side is really fighting. It's more like civil domination, or a civil coup.

Unfortunately the last civil war we had only made things exponentially worse, especially for POCs. And it changed nothing in terms of how the government was run.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't suggest such an unworkable solution. People just need to vote. That's the first step.

[–] tara@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s about systemic incentives, blindly hoping for a change in people’s behaviour is foolish at best. First past the post causes the same issues in every country it still exists today, it clear to see. That’s why most of Europe doesn’t use it, and hasn’t for a long time too. The US has an outdated democracy and we all wish you good luck in convincing others to update it.

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most people still believe that the political process is working when there is zero signs to show that it is does. It is captured and voting for either side is legitimizing their regime.

[–] tara@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even small gains save lives, and pretending the Democrats are identical to Republicans is disingenuous at best. Don’t be immature, vote. Direct action can happen in parallel, but wasting your influence only enables your enemies. You’d be foolish to think otherwise, and waste time arguing against your own interest.

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Voting for democrats or republicans is against my interest while providing legitimacy to the two party regime.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

That's great news for most Americans as they clearly do not share your interest. Democracy seems to be working.

Your personal next step should be convincing others you're right, if possible, not pursuing minority rule.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

while providing legitimacy to the two party regime.

I don't think this matters a whole lot when the two party system is older than you are.

[–] snowgrimm@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah but nuking the filibuster, if that's what you're referring to, would actually be a horrible idea.

If Democrats are a majority, then they will pass anything unopposed, which would be great. Means progress and getting shit done.

But if we end up with Republican majority, we're going to be in a world of shit, very fast because they'd get the same benefits.

Voting matters. Vote trash out.