It is a disturbance to the system, and it isn't tranquil. They are not synonyms. Non-violent means you aren't hurting anyone, peaceful means you aren't disturbing anything. You can't be violent and peaceful but you can be non-violent and non-peaceful. Peace is sufficient but not necessary for non-violence.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Literally the next definition after that one….

not involving war or violence.

SYNONYMS…

Peaceful literally means non-violent…. Literally defines the bloody term lmfao.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

the next definition

So, overlapping meanings, not synonyms

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

They are both, one is defined by other, AND they are synonyms.

Isn’t language fucked up?

[–] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

One definition of peaceful is synonymous, and one isn't. This is exactly why language has so many synonyms, each one is sliiiightly different. Choosing one intentionally instead of another is important.

In this instance, "peace" is being defined (not directly, but through context) as status quo, going about your day unhindered. "Violence" is being defined as causing direct physical harm to a person, and possibly property depending on who you ask.

With these definitions laid out, it's easy enough to see a situation that is not violent (no one got hurt at all) and also not peaceful (some people's days were interrupted) - one person mentioned blocking a road. This is a FANTASTIC example of non-peaceful non-violent protest. No one likes a pedant.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No one likes a pedant.

Goes on a bloviated pedantic rant…

Yep, just like the people trying to say blocking a road isn’t peaceful. They are trying to pedantically choose a definition to make a point. Blocking a road is absolutely peaceful, trying to explain it any other way would be to be pendantic. Lmfao.

[–] BigWheelPowerBrakeSlider@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

I see a lot of other people have responded with examples and argument.

So I'll disagree and say the argument falls apart when I don't argue. (Cause it's Friday. You ain't got no job. You ain't got shit to do. I'm gonna get you high today.)

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Disruptive doesn't mean violent, but it isn't peaceful.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Peaceful and non-violent mean the exact same thing…

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Skydiving isn't peaceful, but it certainly isn't violent.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What’s not peaceful about skydiving…?

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'd go with the wind, noise, speed, and imminent possiblity of death.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

wind, noise, speed.

So going for a drive wouldn’t be peaceful either…?

imminent possiblity of death.

So… driving again? Or riding a motor bike? Not peaceful…? Strange perspective to have…

Strange example to try and use lol.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Go ahead, take a nice bath, read a book, or do some origami while skydiving, or driving at 200mph with the top down.

Strange example to try and use lol.

You know what is peaceful? Take a hike.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Getting chased by bears is peaceful..? Getting attacked by wasps is peaceful…?

Anything can be twisted one way or the other dude lol.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You're making petty, empty, semantic "arguments" and you know it.

Also, whoosh.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You started…

And I knew that, lmfao hence why I gave you the same stupid bull shit.

This is what my argument is.

not involving war or violence.

"there were no violent incidents reported and it was a peaceful protest"

You can’t be non-violent without also being peaceful…

So yeah skydiving is actually peaceful by definition, no matter which pedantic argument EITHER of us use.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ah, so if someone catches a charge for disturbing the peace, then they must have been violent?

So yeah skydiving is actually peaceful by definition, no matter which pedantic argument EITHER of us use.

1st definition of peaceful. adjective

free from disturbance; tranquil.
"everything was so quiet and peaceful in the early morning"
synonyms: tranquil, calm, restful, pleasant, quiet, still, relaxing, soothing, sleepy, silent, soundless, hushed, noiseless, undisturbed, untroubled, private, secluded, solitary, isolated, serene, composed, placid, at peace, at rest, at ease, in repose, reposeful, unworried, unruffled, anxiety-free, content, blissful, secure

You are factually wrong on this statement.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The term is “causing a disturbance” they avoid that term for a very good reason.

You understand a word can mean multiple things… yeah…?

There is no first definition, just multiple, they aren’t ranked, other dictionaries have the one I put first. So what point do you think that was making?

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I thought your point was that neither definition fit my usage of peaceful? Is that not what you meant by...

...So yeah skydiving is actually peaceful by definition, no matter which pedantic argument EITHER of us use.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Does skydiving involve war or violence…? It fits both and neither depending on how you twist it… yeesh.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

They do not.

[–] shani66@ani.social 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Peaceful means not being disturbed, nonviolent means no violence.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

not involving war or violence. "there were no violent incidents reported and it was a peaceful protest"

Peaceful literally means non-violent.

If you are being non-violent by definition you are also being peaceful….

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Peaceful and non-violent mean the exact same thing…

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago

They do not.