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The share of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who believe that President Joe Biden’s 2020 election win was not legitimate has ticked back up, according to a new CNN poll fielded throughout July. All told, 69% of Republicans and Republican-leaners say Biden’s win was not legitimate, up from 63% earlier this year and through last fall, even as there is no evidence of election fraud that would have altered the outcome of the contest.

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[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So, 69% of Republicans are traitors to the Republic. That's what I'm hearing.

[–] Reptorian@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How many of those 70% knows it's a lie, but went along with it. There's a reason why I support rejecting Republicans and I would go as far as not funding red states along with boycotting businesses residing from those states.

[–] Shazbot@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That would backfire spectacularly. We must always keep in mind that Republican policies keep their citizens in a state of disinformation and dilapidation. If your life is already miserable, denied education and resources so as to never escape what few jobs are left, you'll latch onto anyone promising salvation. That is the whole reason we saw J6ers go as far as they did.

The long road has the best chances of keeping the country in one piece. Dispelling falsehoods piece by piece, enacting programs that modernize not just infrastructure but local economies as well. Bring the success of the coasts inward to lands exploited and abandoned by corporations and their elected goons. As difficult as it sounds, we're looking at another reconstruction era for those kneecapped by decades of Republican control.

[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I also support the rising tides raise all boats approach. There is so much hate for these poor, white, uneducated, disenfranchised swaths of middle America. It is too easy to just say they deserve what they get, instead of dragging them (kicking and screaming I might add) into the 21st century. Even if many of them are a lost cause, we shouldn't be so keen on throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

I see no realistic solution that does not include fighting Republicans for the hearts and minds of the average working class American. This is why Democrats continue to struggle even with overwhelming statistical advantages. The corporatist wing of the Democrats continue to block the kind of New Deal, Social Democracy, Keystone policies that actually win elections.

You change the material conditions of millions of people, and see how fast they jump on board. Most people cannot see the forest through the trees when they are drowning in the inevitability of automation and skilled labor killing their livelihood. We need to force the Democrats to take bold action to better the lives of the whole country, or we will suffer the consequences of political inaction. It starts with the local first. The bottom up, grassroots approach can work. It just takes time, determination, and a desire to refocus the agenda away from culture war naval gazing and onto real world solutions.

Keep fighting the good fight!

[–] onionbaggage@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Always has been.

[–] Captain_Nipples@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Does no one remember 2016-2020? The whole time people said Trumps win was a sham.

Are those people traitors too?

I'm not saying Biden's win was bullshit, but I swear no one can remember past 30 minutes ago

[–] BeegYoshi@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

It's not the same. Most people calling the 2016 election a sham will admit that Trump did technically win by the rules as written, but also think that those rules are bullshit because they allowed a multi-million person majority to be shut out in favor of a malevolent moron. The people saying Biden lost are saying he literally cheated and that there's a conspiracy of thousands of government employees collaborating to break the rules and subvert the will of the people; that the multi-million majority literally doesn't exist. This is just as disingenuous as comparing the top secret documents that Trump hid to the ones that Biden and Pence handed over immediately on request.

[–] keeb420@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (21 children)

did ANY of those people try a coup?

[–] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Some of ‘em did burn cars and buildings, I assume they would’ve fallen in line for storming Capitol Hill too.

Never underestimate those who will get violent because their preferred candidate didn’t win.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

One side did and one side you're just saying that the could have.

What's the difference between those two?

[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

On another note: What a username

👏 Golf Clap 👏

[–] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never said there wasn’t a difference lol, nor would I.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But you did and now you’re straight up lying.

[–] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago
[–] keeb420@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (15 children)

blame the left all you want it was trump and his supporters who attempted a coup.

[–] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

…why the fuck would I blame ‘the left’ for Trump’s attempted coup?

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[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

An angry person smashing the window of a Starbucks is not a fucking threat to the Republic, dude.

[–] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People burning down cars very well could be, if some lunatic spent some time brainwashing ‘em.

[–] wagoner@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"If. Could be."

Didn't happen though...

[–] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

…again, I never said it did. Do you have poor reading comprehension?

[–] wagoner@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You keep imagining a reality that never happened and then criticizing that universe. I guess I'm puzzled as to what you're trying to achieve but to make it sound like everyone is as bad as each other. It's just not the case.

[–] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

you’re just imagining an alternate reality and criticizing it

I’m not sure how you got that out of what I said, but cool ig

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If wishes were fishes I could feed the world, buddy. There's a reason that left wing agitation is a threat to windows and right wing agitation is a threat to the Republic. It's the difference between an insurrectionist traitor and an angry child.

[–] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, that reason is that Republicans let a lunatic come into power, and he was able to consolidate his insane voterbase and stir ‘em up into a frenzy.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And conservatives are unified enough to rally behind a strongman leader. Leftists and liberals just aren't. People on the left are motivated by different ideas and ideologies. This isn't Imperial Russia where a small, motivated group of leftists can mount a military coup. Taking power from the left means coalition building here, and if someone goes fucking crazy in power that coalition disintegrates.

[–] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That’s another thing, yeah; the American Right, especially lately, is beyond cultish.

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[–] Aldehyde@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The small insignificant difference between the two is that those people didn’t try to break into congress and kill the people who disagreed

[–] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

To be fair though, a few Dem supporters do scream quite a bit about how much they’d love to kill all conservatives. There were quite a few of those crazies demanding his head during the post-election drama too.

Not saying that Dem voters did actually do that, but I wouldn’t put it past some of ‘em either.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A few anti-Republican individuals (not necessarily even Democrats) saying some shit is nothing compared to leading members of the Republican party calling for violence. The shit they say is literally the position of the party itself.

[–] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Again, I did say there was a difference. Also, these were most certainly Democrats.