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You are treating Americans as a monolith. We don't make the decision to go to war our government does then spews propaganda in the media and it can shift public opinion.
You posted two graphs with no sources and claimed that my statements were disproved when I never said "Americans never support war ever and if you can find a single instance of it happening for any period of time then everything I have said is wrong."
I called you a moron because you cherry picked information from my statement then acted like it was self canceling.
What the fuck are you quoting? You never said that in your original comment.
Edit: ahhh you edited your comment. Originally you said "are you actually listening to yourself" or something similar then you edited it to that shit after I called you a moron for cherry pickin. Well now you are a moron for cherry picking and a moron for editing comments after replies.
Thankfully Lemmy has timestamps. My comment was edited 5 minutes before yours was made, not after:
You seem to have a large chip on your shoulder and I'm not sure why. I haven't said anything insulting to you, and yet the stream of vitriol continues.
I am not. The only thing I've done is respond to your claim that "most of us didn’t want to be in Vietnam, most of us isn’t didn’t want us to be in Iraq", and let you know that it's not factually correct. Most Americans did support both of those wars at the start.
When I replied it wasn't there 5 minutes is a small window so I guess I had the reply open and didn't type it immediately and if I had refreshed before replying maybe I would have seen your seemingly stealth edit that completely changed the content of your comment. My reply makes sense when compared to your original comment but luckily you edited it quickly and here we are.
Anytime I edit a comment that changes the content of the comment I mark it as an edit. I edit comments to fix grammar and stuff without marking it because it seems tedious.
You are still acting like we went to war because Americans supported it when the truth is it works more like how it is described in Manufactured Consent by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky. The mass media in the united states is used as a propaganda tool to make Americans complicit with decisions made by the government after those decisions are made.
So if you think Americans not being resistant to propaganda is a problem.... then yeah I think so too. If you are saying that the problem is that Americans should never support a war ever no matter how much propaganda is thrown at them then.....ok cool? I mean that is kind of reductive and stupid does nothing to solve or understand any problem but ...cool..I guess?
“most of us didn’t want to be in Vietnam, most of us isn’t didn’t want us to be in Iraq”
how is this wrong? I never said most of us never wanted to be in Iraq to begin with or most of us never wanted to go to Vietnam both don't matter because we had no choice in the matter. Your two graphs of polls (without sources or reference to methodology) don't show how many people were indifferent to the war in Vietnam in the beginning but do show that well before any of them reached their end Americans did not want it happening.
You keep trying to pick at me saying I am angry and have a chip on my shoulder. I called you a moron for cherry picking and somehow this means I am angry with a chip on my shoulder? Sure I am super mad grrrrrr anger rageeeeee! Unlike that Deceptichum person who was calm collected and wonderfully stated all their opinions.
Why did you even mention Deceptichum? Their point wasn't anything like the point you are claiming to make now .....their point was "Americans Bad" which is reductive and stupid. I have all kinds of problems with the governments of countries but I don't make sweeping generalizations and assumptions about all the citizens of those countries.
Your point is Americans should never hold the opinion that going to war is ok ... or that at the beginning of both the conflict in Vietnam and the Iraq war too many Americans supported it.... I don't know anymore and it really feels like your actual point is to try and catch me with some weird gotcha moment.