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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Got it you just don’t like people pointing out Bidens flaws.

Incorrect. I just don't like people shooting themselves in the foot or having tunnel-vision without seeing the bigger picture.

but not like pew research is the best, or polls have been very accurate in the last few years.

hahahah what the hell are you saying? You think PEW is flawed? Do tell how. Do you even understand how statistics work? I bet you didn't even look at their methodology let alone MoE.

When thats more than the entire population in the states (and surprisingly more than the population of Israel)

Who cares? Whether it's 6.7 million "by some estimates," or 7.6 million "by some estimates." — that in no way changes my point, but good on you for digging in the weeds out of complete irrelevance.

Finally let’s suppose all of the Jewish people are going to be mad at Biden for stopping support of Israel due to them committing genocide, who would they vote for? They’d have the same issue as everyone else and have to bite their tongue and vote for Biden.

Well now we've come full-circle. The same question can be posed to Biden by his staff by asking, "What will tankies and the left do, vote for Trump? Not vote? Vote 3rd party? See how that worked out for their agenda when literally every progressive advancement came on the backs of the Democratic party and every reversal thereof came from Republicans." So between the two groups, which will Biden choose to risk less, the bigger voting population, or the smaller voting population?

Unfortunately there are a lot of swing-voters out there, too, who haven't had their minds made up. Until they fall into a camp, the Biden administration is going to toe the line to ensure such voters are still reachable.

At this point who cares about Israel? It’s clear they aren’t making Jewish people safer, and those who would participate in the election are Americans

Not talking about Israel. I'm talking about the relentless propaganda campaign about, "How Biden is an antisemite and jeopardized the safety of Jewish people of Israel by taking away their self-defense." This would be repeated across all right-wing outlets, not to mention the massive amount of foreign interference that is already occurring by Israeli and Russian operatives.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

hahahah what the hell are you saying? You think PEW is flawed? Do tell how. Do you even understand how statistics work? I bet you didn’t even look at their methodology let alone MoE.

appeal to ridicule

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Blatant straw-men have already occurred with me; in my view the door is open. I have no problem dishing back what was already served. If they want to dial it down, then I shall treat them with the utmost respect but these, "Got it. You just don't x." responses are tiresome. Of all the things you could hit me for, I believe this is pretty light but I'll own it as a fallacy.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

these, “Got it. You just don’t x.” responses are tiresome

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

another appeal to ridicule? can't you just accept that it takes two to tango, and you are actively making this place worse?

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

No seriously, are you okay? It does not, in fact, take two, lest you seek one person to run their mouths and the other to just take it. So unless you're suggesting we enable bullying without pushing the bully back or fallacies without objection, I'm not really sure what the point is that you're making.

So kindly explain your thought-process when you respond with simply re-quoting what I said and nothing more; for overall I think my comments remained largely neutral, barring the low-hanging fruit you identified and which I even acknowledged.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

kindly explain your thought-process when you respond with simply re-quoting what I said

i was pointing out the hypocrisy

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

What's hypocritical about noting, "these, 'Got it. You just don’t x.' responses are tiresome"? Do you not recognize the obvious snarkiness and straw-man fallacy? Are you saying I'm not allowed to call this out?

And why are you replying multiple times to the same comment instead of just consolidating your response into one?

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

why are you replying multiple times to the same comment instead of just consolidating your response into one?

i don't like to have multiple ideas in one comment, and i have found it's an excellent tactic for breaking up a gish gallop. you can read more here:

https://lemmy.world/post/10922324

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hmm, that's really strange. I'll just report you for spam then. Thanks.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

in the months that have followed, this has neverbeen an issue for me.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

What’s hypocritical about noting, “these, ‘Got it. You just don’t x.’ responses are tiresome”? Do you not recognize the obvious snarkiness and straw-man fallacy? Are you saying I’m not allowed to call this out?

i'm saying you are doing teh same thing, and you're right that they are exhausting, so you should also knock it off.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

, I’m not really sure what the point is that you’re making.

i'm saying don't use dishonest rhetoric

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I'm fine with that; just make sure you go to the other user in the thread and say the same thing.

Did you do that?

Did you tell them as well that, "it takes two to tango"?

Curiously you did not.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Did you do that?

Did you tell them as well that, “it takes two to tango”?

Curiously you did not.

i asked you to be the bigger person.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Double-standard.

Ask both. Go on... It "takes two to tango," after all.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

you'll forgive me if this reads as though you are not only acting in bad faith, but know you are, and plan to continue.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

do you think they would be more willing than you to stop engaging dishonestly?

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Who's engaging dishonestly? Citation needed. That has yet to be substantively evinced.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

you admitted that you were using fallacious rhetoric already (thouh your admission is not necessary: it was prima facie). but you also (correctly) pointed out a strawman, which is also fallacious rhetoric.