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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

You forgot to include Epic Store, and itch

Also forgot must be open source and self hostable (if multiplayer)

[–] Maven@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 months ago

I wouldn't buy something from the epic store. Though I agree with Itch and direct download.

[–] qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.one 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Direct download is already listed there. No Epic store. Games do not need to be open source. I already included local hosting.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You said for co-op not all multiplayer though

[–] qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.one 2 points 4 months ago

Oh! Good call. Thanks.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Must be open source? Would be nice, but you are excluding 99.9% of games. Which is fine as a stance, but you don't need the list then, your stance is just "I don't play games*".

Must be self hostable? How would that work with MMOs? Releasing the server software would spoil everything, and discovery of how new mechanics and content works is part of the fun. It would also allow cheaters to learn how the server-sidr anti-cheat works.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Would be nice, but you are excluding 99.9% of games

Take LoL, you can’t physically play the version of the game you want anymore. Buying anything in that game means nothing because it might not exist tomorrow, with open source you can fork it when they change it/remove the thing you bought

How would that work with MMOs?

There already is private servers of closed source MMOs, and there are open source MMOs

Releasing the server software would spoil everything, and discovery of how new mechanics and content works is part of the fun

Not sure I understand it

It would also allow cheaters to learn how the server-sidr anti-cheat works

I don’t know where people suddenly decided cheating is bad. Getting into hacked lobbies and playing scrapped content was so much fun in MW2. Or hacked zombies in W@W

But basically the same as now, anti cheat doesn’t stop cheating. Just ban them when you see them

Again LoL example, they have a kernel anticheat and there’s still cheating. Same with Fortnite.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Take LoL

I agree, I'm just saying it's an unrealistic stance to have unless you want to play no games at all.

There already is private servers of closed source MMOs

Yes, most done by reimplementing the protocol. They are separate projects that network with the same client project.

Not sure I understand it

Many MMOs have secrets that are undiscovered for years. Many communities spend lots of effort testing mechanics trying to discover how something works, or working together trying to solve a new quest, or piece of content nobody figured out yet. They create wikis trying to catalogue what the player base figured out about the game. When you put it out in the open, all of that is gone, the game is "pre-solved".

I don’t know where people suddenly decided cheating is bad.

Millennia ago, I assume, when competitive sports became a thing.

Getting into hacked lobbies and playing scrapped content was so much fun in MW2. Or hacked zombies in W@W

Sure. Never played that but this sounds like mods and has nothing to do with cheating.

anti cheat doesn’t stop cheating.

And door locks don't stop burglary, but they sure reduce it.