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[–] qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.one 161 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (15 children)

This is where we are now in 2024.

Check if Game is Safe to Buy Checklist:

  • The game is available as a direct download, on Steam, GOG, or a console I own (if I want to play on console)
  • The game functions
  • The game is complete, has launched publicly, and has mostly positive reviews
    • Exception: If I believe enough in the product to purchase it early access
  • The game is compatible with my system
    • In my case, this also means 32x9 support in Windows
      • AND Linux because I’m heading there soon no doubt
  • The game’s performance is generally good on a system with my components
  • The game’s bugs aren’t a dealbreaker to me
  • The game is fun
  • The game price is a good value to me
  • The game is not PTW
  • The game has minimal/no MTX
  • If the game has MTX, it’s not intrusive
  • If the game has in-game currency, it can be earned in-game without grinding for ages
  • The game has no advertisements (unless it’s just for a joke)
  • The game is not from the following developers:
    • Bethesda Games Studios (post FO4)
    • Battlestar Games
    • Psyonix
    • Whoever developed the Gollum game?
    • Starbreeze Studios
    • [more to come]
  • The game is not from the following publishers:
    • Sony/Playstation
    • Bethesda Softworks
    • EA
    • Activision Blizzard (post D3)
    • Riot Games
    • WB
    • Deep Silver
    • Ubisoft
    • Psyonix
    • Gearbox (post BL2)
    • [more to come]
  • The game does not require 3rd party launchers
  • The game does not require 3rd party DRM
  • The game does not require 2nd or 3rd party account linking
  • The game does not require kernel-level anti-cheat
  • The game is not related with a blockchain, NFTs, or crypto
  • The developer of the game treats their employees well
  • The publisher of the game treats their developer well
  • The game is not a live service game
  • If the game is co-op, it allows local hosting
  • If the game is single-player, it does NOT require an Internet connection to play (optional net connection OK for things like Elden Ring features)
  • Red Flags:
    • Games developed by:
      • Hello Games
      • CDPR
      • Rockstar
    • Nintendo games (it supports Nintendo’s crappy business practices)

*some exceptions still apply

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 72 points 6 months ago (3 children)

So... We're down to solitaire and minesweeper.

[–] Faresh@lemmy.ml 27 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Don't those have ads on Windows now?

[–] CatTrickery@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 months ago

Not if you firewall it off funnily enough

[–] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And Doom. Don’t forget Doom

[–] Willdrick@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Sadly unless you buy an old copy (on gog?) and use the WADs on gzdoom, doom is now Bethesda's and they integrated the account system for all the old doom and quake titles

[–] Jako301@feddit.de 32 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Whoever developed the Gollum game?

It was Daedalic Entertainment and their older and more indi titles are fine. Since they closed down their dev team after gollum, I don't think you need to avoid them.

[–] Maultasche@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

All of their point and click adventures are great. Unfortunate things went downhill after Poki left the company.

[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 6 months ago

You should definitely check out this video to understand hello games were the good guys fucked over by a bunch of hype and then Sony, the publisher, giving the studio barely any support while pushing the blame on them for everything.

https://youtu.be/O5BJVO3PDeQ?si=S5grsjEigZVumO4a

[–] tiberius@lemmy.ca 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Sounds about right. You should add Paradox Interactive as they added a launcher to Across the Obelisk.

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[–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Why CDPR? They just had a single game with a disaster last gen console launch and a kinda rough PC launch, they made up for it in basicly no time and iirc they own Gog the platform without any drm always online crap

[–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

it was only in "red flags"?

maybe more of a "never pre-order" type comment?

[–] qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.one 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I meant it more as a caution than a "DO NOT BUY"

[–] odium@programming.dev 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I think you were meant yellow flag, which means be cautious.

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[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 4 points 6 months ago

But red flag means that: never even consider to buy, or if bought by accident, refund if still can. Or at least in other areas of life it has such a meaning.

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[–] qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.one 3 points 6 months ago

I think you answered your own question in the first part, and for the rest, I was mostly interested in the immersion in the game via roleplaying, like NPC's having their own routines, living, breathing world, etc. A.K.A. the stuff they lied about that still has not made it into the game.

[–] atocci@kbin.social 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Why Psyonix? Rocket League is the only game they still work on.

Edit: Psyonix isn't even a publisher

[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

Only things I can remember for Psyonix was they dropped OS support for Mac and Linux, pulled the game from steam, and required an epic account to continue playing. Luckily refunds were being honored when it happened.

[–] Nommer@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 months ago

They also removed trading for epic's stupid rocket racing mode that died within a month, made dropshot and snow rotate with each season causing people to throw because who cares about a seasonal mode, servers getting worse every day, doing nothing to stop the smurfing and boosting problems, GC level bots still in ranked (although not as much), invisible players, cheaters able to fuck with the servers and cause disconnects/lag, and just general toxicity from the player base that they won't address.

[–] atocci@kbin.social 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Do you need an Epic account to play if you already have it through Steam?

[–] Nommer@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] atocci@kbin.social 8 points 6 months ago

Thanks I haven't played in a long while and couldn't remember.

[–] qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.one 7 points 6 months ago

Bingo. I was a Steam, Linux, and Mac (IIRC) player.

[–] taaz@biglemmowski.win 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But this happened after the Epic acquisition though, the game had Linux support from day one then Sweany came in.

Rocke League before Epic was great and I wouldn't consider Psyonix a bad company.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 5 points 6 months ago

I mean, they allowed that to happen, so...?

[–] duramu@beehaw.org 2 points 6 months ago

It feels like they should have replaced that one with "has epic bought the game or developers"

Like, with rocket league for example, almost every negative thing they mentioned on the list that applies only happened to the game after Psyonix was bought by epic.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

maybe I should make one of those meme / concept review accounts on steam and run games through this list.

[–] qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.one 4 points 6 months ago

Feel free to copy, improve, and spread the list.

[–] ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)
[–] Schal330@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

I agree, why Hello Games. They are a studio that has gone to great lengths to make the game better and haven't charged a single penny more. Sean Murray has learnt to not overhype things. I'm looking forward to Light No Fire and having seen what they are capable of following all the NMS updates I have confidence they can succeed.

[–] swab148@startrek.website 7 points 6 months ago

No Man's Sky wasn't all it was hyped to be on launch, it's actually much better now (I'm literally playing it right this second lol)

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 6 months ago

Great list I mostly agree with it for myself. I'd love to have a steam bot tell me when a game in my cart violates this. Or maybe a steamdb bot that tells me when I bought a game that violates this, so I can still refund it in the window.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

You forgot to include Epic Store, and itch

Also forgot must be open source and self hostable (if multiplayer)

[–] Maven@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 months ago

I wouldn't buy something from the epic store. Though I agree with Itch and direct download.

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[–] sag@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] pyre@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I assume you died in 2011 and this is your ghost trying to catch up with the last decade and a half

[–] sag@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
[–] pyre@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Jesus i keep forgetting how old I am

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Skyrim wasn't objectively good, but it was well-liked and infinitely moddable.

Fallout 4 had some interesting mechanics, but the story was bad, the in-game radio host was awful, and the engine was a decade old at that point. It was also the game where Bethesda introduced paid mods.

Fallout 76 is a tale of its own. It failed at every conceivable point, including promotion, merchandise, and post-release content.

Starfield is a loading screen simulator with 1700 near-identical planet and a bad story, and is overall so insignificant that I almost forgot to mention it.

Most recently, Fallout 4's newest release broke mod compatibility, the only thing that kept it relevant.

It's fair to say that Bethesda hasn't developed an objectively good game since Oblivion, and that was the game with the horse armors. Plus there are all the games that are owned by Bethesda, but not developed by them. Redfall, Deathloop, and what Id did to Mick Gordon.

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