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[–] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 64 points 5 months ago (3 children)

“If I wasn’t a Libertarian before, I sure as hell am a Libertarian now.”

If Libertarian-ism was 180 degrees and a mile in the opposite direction. Dictators notoriously go after the liberals and libertarians first.

I wouldn't use the government to jail people, I just wouldn't do that

No. You'd send in the national guard to shoot them for merely expressing their discontent.

Maybe you don't want to win. Keep getting your 3% every 4 years.

Win what? With Trump?

  • Loss of abortion access?
  • Loss of child tax credits?
  • Loss of freedom of expression?
  • Loss of library books?
  • Loss of civil liberties?
  • Loss of climate action?
  • Loss of accountability to rapist and fraudsters?

If Trump is the win for the libertarian party, then I would prefer to lose.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe you don't want to win. Keep getting your 3% every 4 years.

Win what? With Trump?

The GOP has been losing power ever since Clinton, because their most deeply held beliefs (less taxes for the rich, abortion bans, no public health care, more money to big business, no action on climate change) are wildly unpopular. Trump is the extinction burst - the frenzy of activity before the organism actually dies.

It remains to be seen whether they’ll be able to undo democracy to the point that they can stay in power regardless of how unpopular they are, and they have a plausible shot at it. But failing that I think all the gerrymandering in the world won’t be able to keep them around.

[–] benignintervention@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That is almost verbatim what I told myself leading up to 2016. And here we are.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. It's actually a really dangerous time.

Any organism faced with death will start to fight with everything in its power. Except this one is not a raccoon in the garage, it's a whole nationwide organization with billions of dollars, prisons, weaponized propaganda every person sees every day, and a whole network of detention centers just waiting to turn into concentration camps.

[–] benignintervention@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh I see. When I said it, it's because I thought that meant we were safe from this movement continuing to exist. But you're right, it's definitely more about being prepared for that death struggle

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 12 points 5 months ago

Agreed, yeah. "Probably gonna die" is not the same as "perfectly safe to be around in the meantime."

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump did not count on Libertarians having principles. He is used to people having no principles.

[–] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago

The only thing that would be aligned with the platform is 2A, and he fucked that years ago.