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Two guys logically explain why The Boss, a middle-aged war veteran, does not look like a 20-year-old e-girl

Gamers: Well she should look like one anyway

I'm so tired yes-honey-left

It's so fucking stupid, she looks pretty much exactly like the original character but in a photo-realistic style

Holy shit, I somehow missed the most unhinged comment:

[CW: Transphobia]

spoiler

They made the boss look trans and that's a fucking crime.

The chin is different, it looks like a man's chin, the mouth is different, it looks like a man's mouth, more specifically it looks like Chris Chan's mouth, don't believe me, go do an image search. Neither the mouth or the chin or the brow or forehead or zygomatic process feminine in any way in the remake version.

The boss has deep cheek hollows because they changed her maxilla as well, literally everything they did was to make the Boss look like a ******.

Their brains are so fucking cooked

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[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Why's her face all different?

Look closer: the structure is identical between them, it's just that things like the eyes and mouth have shifted shape slightly to accommodate an increase in detail, looking more like an actual face and less like a low-detail cartoon caricature designed to be clear and readable on a low-res screen. Her eyes also don't seem to be fully open on that exact frame which is creating a further illusion of difference, and that's 100% down to the fact that they can actually animate things like partially closing eyes against bright light now.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Look closer: the structure is identical between them

It's not though! I feel like this thread is collectively gaslighting themselves on the basis of hating gamers (which, fair!), but c'mon.

Her face is a good bit narrower, her lips are wider, as are her eyebrows, she's turned brunette from blonde, her chin got smaller / more rounded (OG Boss had some Chin Krimson going on there)

The cheekbones and nose they got mostly right

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Ignore all the skin details: the jawline, cheekbones, brow, and nose are identical between them. The eyes looked slightly different but I think it's just that they're partially closed. The only real difference is that the mouth is slightly wider, and that's both extremely minor and probably down to the artist not prioritizing that when remaking the model for photorealism. The rest of the seeming differences look like illusions resulting from the skin texture.

This is probably the most closely matched redesign I've ever seen: all the permanent structural bits of the face are the same between them with all the slight differences being soft tissue, the styling and coloring of hair, and the animation of muscles that the original lacked.

Actually, looking at it again, 99% of the difference is makeup. The left face looks like the right face with makeup.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Either you are going nuts or I am because those two portraits are looking nothing like each other

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'm dying laughing now that I've realized the difference is a box of hair dye, a bottle of foundation, and some blush. Also the original is like this soft-focus 3-point studio lighting that further amplifies the effect. Like you could literally recreate these two pictures with one actual person: take the right picture in harsh sunlight without makeup, then they dye their hair, put on the foundation and contouring shit, then retake the photo with shade and reflectors set up all around and the camera slightly unfocused and it's that exactly.

Now I get why you're missing it though, if you've never done makeup or looked too close at how it works and the theory of what one does with it.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The hair colour and lighting especially here makes my point - why change it? Does everything have to be realistic grim dark now as if modern technology couldn't reproduce soft focus 3 point studio lighting? We can't make characters blond anymore?

I don't care whether it's hot or whatever I'm just genuinely wondering what the point is to change the character so much. Like if you'd reimagine it, go hog wild, but this is Konami after kicking out Kojima, they're not gonna change shit about the golden cow that is MGS3

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 3 points 5 months ago

The hair colour and lighting especially here makes my point - why change it?

To match set and environmental design and how that's shifted with rendering technology? The original has this "overcast day diffuse lighting, supplemented by reflectors and artificial lights" kind of look, the remake looks like a normal day - that says the intent with the original was not "everything is always cloudy and diffuse in a way that's just perfect for photography" and that was just a concession to the lighting and shadow rendering tech of the day.

As for hair, who knows, though I'd guess based on the way the hair is nearly identical where the light is harshest they may have decided that changing it actually makes it match the look more: compensating for the brighter lighting and the lighting interacting with the hair by darkening it so it's brought back to the same level. The original hair tone was likely washed out and wound up looking white with the modern lighting engine, or something like that.