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[–] Technological_Elite@lemmy.one 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I've heard of "Only 2 genders", "More than 2 genders", and "Only one gender, It's Nerf or Nothin'!"

"Genders aren't real"? That's a new one. Lmfao.

Genders are absolutely real though, and it doesn't automatically mean it's about sex, there's so much more to it that's absolutely non-sexual, lol.

[–] null@slrpnk.net 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

"Real" in that they are just a social construct, like race.

[–] Technological_Elite@lemmy.one -5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

This information was incorrect, and I rest my case. Here is the comment with sources: https://lemmy.one/comment/10802073

~~Race is skin color and the region of where someone was born or inherited traits passed down through children.~~

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Technological_Elite@lemmy.one 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

This information was incorrect, and I rest my case. Here is the comment with sources: https://lemmy.one/comment/10802073

~~It does. " because of such individual's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin …"

It's been a long time since I've read the definition of "race", but it is at the very least heavily correlated with skin color.

Discrimination against someone by their skin color isn't called "racism" for nothing.~~

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Not in the definition; usage is not the definition:

Usage of Race

Sense 1a of this entry describes the word race as it is most frequently used: to refer to the various groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits, these traits being regarded as common among people of a shared ancestry. This use of race dates to the late 18th century, and was for many years applied in scientific fields such as physical anthropology, with race differentiation being based on such qualities as skin color, hair form, head shape, and particular sets of cranial dimensions. Advances in the field of genetics in the late 20th century determined no biological basis for races in this sense of the word, as all humans alive today share 99.99% of their genetic material. For this reason, the concept of distinct human races today has little scientific standing, and is instead understood as primarily a sociological designation, identifying a group sharing some outward physical characteristics and some commonalities of culture and history.

It’s always helpful to learn.

[–] null@slrpnk.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

All of which is entirely arbitrary. Why didn't you include hair color, or eye color, or height?

[–] Technological_Elite@lemmy.one 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I simply just didn't think of it. I also said "Gotcha." to the other dude, acknowledging their side is (from what I can see and understand) is right. I rest my case. I'll edit my messages too.

[–] null@slrpnk.net -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I simply just didn't think of it

Nobody would consider hair color, eye color, or height among people with the same skin color as part of their "race" -- that's the point I was making.

[–] Technological_Elite@lemmy.one 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Fair enough. They still have some correlation though, important to note that.

[–] null@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

If my brother has red hair and is 6 feet, and I have brown hair, and am 5 feet, we would still be the same race, so no, there's no correlation to race there, nor is it important to note. Because race is a social construct.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Ok, define one for me. I'll wait.

[–] Technological_Elite@lemmy.one 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Google to the rescue! Keep in mind, it is common for people to refer to sex when talking about gender as to not confuse it with "Sex"'s more sexual definition. It''d be a lil weird to say the "Sex Reveal Party". But when comparing the two, they have two different dennotative meanings.

Anywho, from Google's Dictionary:

gen·der

noun

noun: gender; plural noun: genders

the male sex or the female sex, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones, or one of a range of other identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.

"the singer has opted to keep the names and genders of her twins private"

members of a particular gender considered as a group.

"social interaction between the genders"

the fact or condition of belonging to or identifying as having a particular gender.

"video ads will target users based only on age and gender"

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Dancing around the word and repeating it a bunch is not defining. Try something better than Google. Tell me what it is that has you convinced there's some kind of meaning in the terms.

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Is that definition not supporting your points though? It defines gender as mostly a social construct, which imo reinforces the fact that it's made up and not a tangible thing anyway.

Sometimes biological sex matters (e.g. as medical info for a doctor to understand) but other than that it's connected to gender in name only, based on made-up social rules.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

There's loads of totally made up stuff that I can put a hard definition on. Gender? Absolutely nothing. Gender roles are bad and genitalia doesn't define them, so what does? Absolutely goddamn nothing. Math is intangible and made up, but very clearly and functionally defined. Gender? Nothing. Define one. I'm still waiting. You've got nothing.

[–] Aquila@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Do you mean difference between gender and sex? Cause like if you have Y chromosome or not…

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Aquila@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

So like you don’t believe in category’s? That’s what the brain does, it recognizes patterns and categorizes things. If you get rid of the categories something else is just gonna take their place.

Man: adult human male

Woman: adult human female

Non-binary: catchall for those that don’t identify with man or woman

Is this what you’re after? I don’t understand

[–] Mango@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago

Yeah, you don't.