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[–] somename@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Didn’t you say that politicians have to chase votes earlier? To shift their positions to attract voters? Why does that not apply here? Shouldn’t they be courting us by moving away from committing genocide? That would solve the issue cleanly.

[–] notabot@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, they should, if a large enough proportion of the electorate make that case. I've been looking for up to date opinion polls on this, and rather appallingly most of them seems to show that there is a roughly equal split in those that think the israel's attacks are genocide and those who don't [1]. I'll be honest, I wasn't expecting that, I was expecting a huge majority on the "it's genocide" side but that could just be the polls I've found. If you have any more heartening results please do share them. Even amongst Dem voters the split isn't as lopsided as you'd expect, and without those numbers changing the direction of decades of US policy towards Israel isn't going to happen. Again, if the voters change their direction enough, politics will follow.

[1] Here's one poll I found, which is likely to be as biased as any other, but it at least gives an idea of the numbers.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Lol no they won't because the American Government funnels hundreds of millions of dollars to Israel, which gets put into places like AIPAC, which propagandize the public and have been doing so for decades. You are looking at the cart as if it is the horse, like a lunatic.

We literally can't have a legible conversation if you don't understand how consent is manufactured in the U S. Propaganda fucking works, that's why people spend billions of dollars on it.

[–] notabot@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

I was trying to point out that the numbers of voters who think israel has gone "too far" isn't high enough to tip US policy at the moment, precisely because of the propaganda you describe. That number seems to be changing, albeit slowly, and we've already seen biden's tone change somewhat as that pressure changes.