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He's guaranteed to lose now. I can't see a universe where the mental gymnastics add up to deciding that this is a good idea. Don't get me wrong, it'd be funny as hell. But I'm really not looking forward to the idea of more Trump.

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[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 39 points 3 months ago (10 children)

This is partly why I suspect that this might be a generational factionalism in the Democratic machinery.

The old(est) guard and the functionally apolitical consultant/finance lanyards who honestly do just as well or better when the dems aren't in power. With the young(er) generation and B-tier of operatives now realising that the damage being done, to the party and the recent supreme court decision etc, might be too much to simply wait for their turn

In a way, it feels like it mirrors some of the divisions within the capital class itself. There's the bullish types who basically seem to accept that growth and the climate are fucked, and are now trying to rip the copper wiring out of the walls of the global economy while they can since they likely won't be around when it tips into collapse. And then there's the equally self-interested 'activist' capital class looking to keep the game going with green tech and new models for economic extraction etc because they want their gilded age too but know the old models won't last long enought for them to get theirs.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 37 points 3 months ago (9 children)

The old(est) guard and the functionally apolitical consultant/finance lanyards who honestly do just as well or better when the dems aren't in power. With the young(er) generation and B-tier of operatives now realising that the damage being done, to the party and the recent supreme court decision etc, might be too much to simply wait for their turn

This is part of why I think there's a huge liberal panic about how Trump being president again will destroy all of democracy or whatever. Because part of the Project 2025 stuff involves firing vast leagues of lanyard dorks and replacing them with hogs. Who knows if that would actually happen, but that's mostly afraid of losing their jobs.

[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Exactly. It's not about 'democracy'. It's about the right building a fortress within power structure of the country that excludes the bipartisan/democrat lanyard class.

[–] HamManBad@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That's the sliver of vote that lives within me. From a Marxist perspective, is a state full of Democrat lanyards better than a state full of rabidly anti-worker chud lanyards, so that labor can organize with fewer legal barriers? Or would unmasking the state as an explicitly bourgeois institution help radicalize the working class and heighten the contradictions? Is there necessarily a "better" option relating to the ideological composition of the state, or is it irrelevant because of the fundamental bourgeois nature of the state regardless of who the lanyards are?

[–] axont@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Or would a state full of chud lanyards be so incompetent that organizing would be easier? I guess we'll find out since none of this is really in our control in the first place. Full machinations of capital

[–] HamManBad@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Don't underestimate them, there are plenty of competent fascists out there. Or at least, they aren't more incompetent than the average liberal dork

[–] FumpyAer@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago

It would have to get extremely bad wrt the NLRB to change the labor organizing paradigm to wolf-style organizing. I was surprised Biden's anti-train worker move didn't do it for that industry.

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I assume the state is hostile to our interests no matter who is in power. While, yes, having the IRS filled with hogs would suck.... the IRS already sucks.

The biggest change I can see is a federal government suddenly becoming hostile to whatever they call "woke". I expect we need to step up to protect federal employees who are LGBT, not Christian, etc. But again, Democrats aren't helping these folks in the states right now so IDK.

It sucks 😬

[–] HamManBad@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

Yeah at best, having Democrats in place just slows the rate of fascist decay. It's not actually improving anything

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