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[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

It's silly to talk about a "pundit class". It's not like they're a group with any coherent ideas, much less any sort of persistent group loyalty. They're just people with opinions and a platform.

This article tries to make it sound like he's a really popular candidate and there's some shady group of kingmakers trying to block him.

The main reason that people are pushing for him to step aside is that they don't believe he can beat Trump. It's not that people were grumpy about a raspy voice. There was already a lot of suspicion that he's going senile. He got the benefit of the doubt and the debate was his chance to prove the doubters wrong. Instead he confirmed their deepest fears. Since then, he's provided a steady stream of examples of his diminishing mental capacity.

A formal cognitive assessment might lay those fears to rest but, at this point, it's unlikely. For many people, the conclusion is clear; the evidence is in and he forgets what he's talking about mid-sentence. Many people look at the polling numbers around that just want someone who has a chance of beating Trump.

[–] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Don't disagree, but also curious why the same pundits aren't ripping apart Trump's senility? 30 seconds of watching a Daily Show weekly roundup will provide COUNTLESS examples of Trump rambling endlessly and forgetting what he was even talking about. Just because it wasn't as stark at the debate doesn't' mean it isn't happening. I'd also imagine that Trump was probably coked out of his mind at the debate after he spent weeks leading up to it claiming Biden would be on drugs. He has a well-documented history of projecting whatever he's doing wrong on his opposition.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 months ago

Because Trump's senility doesn't matter; Republicans are going to vote for him regardless

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 12 points 4 months ago

Don’t disagree, but also curious why the same pundits aren’t ripping apart Trump’s senility

Republicans are held to a lower standard.

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago

It's because we're talking about two entirely different groups of people.

More and more Democrats are calling for Biden to withdraw because they don't believe he can beat Trump.

Republicans are happy to stick with Trump because they're fairly sure he can trounce Biden.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Those articles are out there.

The key differences are Trump is the popular candidate. He is who the GOP electorate wants and who the GOP runs on.

Biden is not a popular candidate and not who the Democratic party electorate necessarily wants: instead his whole candidacy and presidency has solely been not being Trump. This condition is fully transferrable to any candidate with support of the party.

So the ramifications and implications are wildly different.

[–] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Biden is not a popular candidate and not who the Democratic party electorate necessarily wants: instead his whole candidacy and presidency has solely been not being Trump. This condition is fully transferrable to any candidate with support of the party.

Biden may not be a popular candidate on Lemmy, but he absolutely was prior to that debate showing with the general public. It turns out moderates and independents make up a large portion of the voting block and they aren't all drooling at the prospects of Bernie Sanders. They WANT a boring president.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago

They want a competent president. Biden has been showing these signs for quite some time to a lot of resistance towards anyone willing to acknowledge it. But now? Shit I've seen hard leftists express willingness to support Kamala Harris so I think people are mostly on board for not-Biden in general.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

he absolutely was prior to that debate showing with the general public

Only 25% of Democrats wanted him to run, he is not a popular candidate

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

My guess is - people have heard so many articles about Trump fucking up that they don't get clicks any more. Tearing into Biden is much more lucrative, plus people then argue about it in comments (just look around here) further driving engagement.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

the fact we should even need a cognitive test is Ludacris. age limits for presidential and high court positions. past retirement age? gtfo

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

past retirement age? gtfo

That has the unintended consequence of encouraging them to raise the retirement age.

Better plan: base it on lifespan, cap it at some percentage of the average age of death. They want to stay in office longer? Gonna have to raise the average lifespan. Public healthcare would probably get them the biggest bang for their buck

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I'm ok with that too.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 points 4 months ago

I wouldn't base it on lifespan because keeping people alive longer doesn't necessarily require them to be able to work longer.