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Yes, there's more to it than that and it's quite stupid and also quite bigoted. Republicans don't need to know that. They didn't and won't read his book anyway.

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[–] LostWanderer@lemmynsfw.com 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Eh?? The unenlightened bigots are still going on about how being gay is a choice? That somehow choosing to be miserable and conform to a heteronormative would make the gay go away?! Only to later either break free of the brainwashing which led to conforming to an obvious lie of being straight or simply taking a one way trip out of this world. Stupid, fascist Republicans don't have much to offer but ruin and one big white world, drained of all its color. Hopefully, this November, we trounce these entitled fascists.

In my own personal experience as a child, I simply knew that I was different. I didn't realize until the hormones activated how different I was! Then again, I was able to reflect on that with something called 'reading about the experiences of others and trying to find points in common'. JD Vance likely had nothing but bigoted talking points screamed into his ears and he gave in.

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

My problem with the core of the argument is that it wouldn't matter if it were a choice or not. I honestly can't find men attractive as a straight man so if someone else tells me homosexuality is a choice, I just assume they're actively making that choice one way or another.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm a pretty good looking guy, and not being afraid of gay people, with plenty of exposure, I've had a few come on to me. I've even had one tell me he knows I'm straight and that the only thing he wants is to suck my dick and he would make it fantastic. I figure that with having the hardware and practice, they probably know a good deal about physically pleasing a man, so I've seriously considered it.

But like you, I can't get over the fact that I am just not attracted to men. Even when very drunk. Literally struck out with multiple women rather than taking a sure blowjob.

If anyone would have made that choice, being a horny and open man desperate for a blowjob with opportunity, I'd be a prime candidate. And I couldn't even choose to be bi.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

i still don't get why any argument on either side is revolving around whether it's a choice or not. like, ok, discriminating based on immutable qualities is obviously bad and that's why people are making that point but the end result is this here: people just deny it's immutable.

the actual argument in my opinion is even if it were a choice so fucking what? just because something is a choice doesn't make it suddenly ok to take rights away from people who have that choice. otherwise i would have some fantastic ideas about what should be done with republicans; it is a choice to be republican after all.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Because the conservative logic is to punish for being different. They need to assign personal responsibility for someone else having sex and you being born the way you are

[–] LostWanderer@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 4 months ago

Yeah, at the end of the day, I strongly feel being certain things is simply an immutable part of being a person. Nobody chooses to be straight, gay, bi, pan, or anything else related to attraction. There is a choice to ignore or act upon those feelings, often people are put in terrible situations as a result.

I do agree with your argument though, as human rights so remain intact regardless of choice or no choice! We all live in a world we can't yet escape and need some semblance of social contract to survive. I have a lot of fun ideas for what to do with Republicans as well; as it is a choice they've made to be bigoted, shortsighted fascists. Compulsory Drag Show attendance, they're invited to a Library bit; they are going to get read to filth and hate every moment of self-awareness which will be inflicted upon them. Silly, but that's the tip of the iceberg!