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Europeans view immigration with increasing suspicion. Seven out of 10 Europeans believe that their country takes in too many migrants, according to a survey carried out by BVA Xsight for ARTE Europe Weekly, a project led by the French-German TV channel ARTE GEIE and which EL PAÍS has participated in, as part of the countdown to the European elections in June.

The survey shows that 85% of respondents feel the European Union needs to take more action to combat irregular migration. And only 39% believe that Europe needs immigration today.

The countries where most people consider immigration a problem are Bulgaria (74% of respondents), the Czech Republic (73%), Hungary and Cyprus (68% in both cases). Paradoxically, in Italy, the European country where the largest number of immigrants entered irregularly last year (157,652), only 44% of respondents viewed it as a problem and only 14% saw it as the main problem. In Greece and Spain, the second and third countries with the most irregular arrivals in 2023, respectively, only 11% of respondents considered it the issue of most concern to them, below the European average of 17%. However, Greece is the country where the most people (90%) believe their country takes in too many migrants.

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[–] tobogganablaze@lemmus.org 27 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Seven out of 10

Why? Why mix words and digits in that way. That's not acceptable.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago (3 children)

That's how I was taught to write it. One through nine get written out and anything 10 or higher is numeric.

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

I'm pretty sure that's in the style guide of a lot of publications

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 6 months ago

One to twelve where I'm from, 13 and above as numbers.

[–] tobogganablaze@lemmus.org 2 points 6 months ago

I'm very sorry.

[–] drbadger@lemmy.ca 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Generally, numbers are not used to start a sentence.

[–] Stegget@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

yeah, it's AP style guidelines.

[–] tal 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I was taught that the default is to write out numbers, but if you're comparing multiple numbers, they're normally supposed to be written in numeric form. I feel like they should have either started with a number or restructured the sentence.

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Apparently AP style guidelines say that for ten and above, you should use numeric form. Below that, write it out. That may be the driving factor here.

https://writingexplained.org/ap-style/ap-style-numbers

In general you should spell out numbers one through nine in AP Style. Consider the following examples of AP Style numbers,

  • The Chicago White Sox finished second.

  • She had six months left of her pregnancy.

You should use figures for 10 or above and whenever preceding a unit of measure or referring to ages of people, animals, events or things. Also use figures in all tabular matter, and in statistical and sequential forms.

I generally agree with most press conventions, and I'd buy into some of that, but I don't think I really like the "ten cutoff" convention.

[–] Stegget@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

As a former ink stained wretch, I can confirm that is the reason.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 14 points 6 months ago

From the AP Stylebook:

Spell out all numerals that begin a sentence, except a calendar year. Unless another specific rule applies, spell out whole numbers below 10 and use figures for 10 and above.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Probably because of those immigrants too. They ruined our grammar!

[–] Birch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely, with their arabic numerals and all! It should read "Seven out of X"!

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

"Seven out of X"!

It's ok, just call it Twitter

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[–] john89@lemmy.ca 26 points 6 months ago (15 children)

Immigration is a good thing.

On average, the more people contributing to an economy bolsters it.

[–] Vipsu@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (3 children)

There are more things to a stable and sustainable society than economy.

With many European countries doing budget cuts to education, social security, healthcare etc many people are dissatisfied with their goverments. This can make it very hard to justify spending said budget on migrants or programs with aim to integrating migrants to the society.

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

But the budget cuts is so that they can reduce the taxes for the richest, which will trickle down and boost the economy even more! Let's goooooo....

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

All those countries also suffer from a huge demographic catastrophe coming in. Unless they get a massive amount of young immigrant workers to stabilise the social systems, those systems will collapse alltogether.

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[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

It's just that the austerity cuts on basic living necessities create more instability, for native-born and new members of a society. But that's probably the purpose, masses are easier to control when they struggle and are helpless

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[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Immigration is all about cheap labor. In the US there's a reason why so many seasonal workers come in illegally. It's because it's cheaper for the agricultural overlords and they make greater profits needing to pay undocumented workers less. Remember the money, it's always about the money.

https://www.newsweek.com/nearly-half-us-farmworkers-undocumented-ending-illegal-immigration-could-devastate-economy-1585202

The corporations want us to be xenophobic, they want us to hate "illegal aliens" for "stealing our jobs" because it allows them to continue to profit at record levels.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How does convincing people to be against cheap labor help companies that want cheap labor? That's like oil companies funding anti-oil campaigns

[–] evranch@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They want society to oppose immigration and work visas so that these people will have to work as illegals, for lower pay and worse working conditions.

Despite all the right wing wall talk, the wealthy actually benefit from a somewhat porous border for this reason.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is a needlessly complex plan. So how exactly do "they" manage to move money from their tiny companies to Fox News?

Why can't it just be racism btw?

[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It is fueled by racism, that's what I wrote in my original comment, the agricultural overlords want us to be xenophobic. The wealthy don't want us to recognize the benefits of making temporary work visas easier to obtain because it would cost them more money.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ok you are making lots of claims. Could you back up any?

[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes I am well aware that there are people who benefit from illegal immigration. Now how do you establish a casual link between that and mass propaganda efforts?

[–] cybersin@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Neither the owner, Aaron Rubashkin, nor his sons Sholom and Heshy, who were in charge of the management of Agriprocessors, were convicted of immigration or labor law violations, although both Aaron and son Sholom were initially charged with 9,311 counts of child labor law violation, for which they could have faced over 700 years in prison if found guilty. All charges against Aaron were dropped right before the trial was scheduled to begin, and after a five-week trial Sholom was acquitted on all charges of violating child labor laws.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postville_raid

Undocumented workers have no rights. If they don't accept the bad pay and conditions offered, they get reported. The state takes the current group of "troublemakers" away and you hire fresh immigrants.

All charges being dropped against the owners of the plant just before the trial is either corruption or a plea deal. The owners very likely snitched on themselves in exchange for amnesty.

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[–] cybersin@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

Financial irregularities brought to light by the raid and subsequent investigations led to a conviction of the plant's chief executive Sholom on bank fraud and related charges.

He was sentenced to 27 years in prison, but this led to an outcry by a bipartisan group of more than 100 former high-ranking and distinguished Department of Justice (DOJ) officials, prosecutors, judges, and legal scholars who expressed concern with the evidentiary proceedings in his case as well as with the severity of his sentence.

On December 20, 2017, then-President Donald Trump commuted his sentence to time served, and his trial on immigration charges was canceled.

Same article.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postville_raid

[–] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 10 points 6 months ago (4 children)
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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Man, they’re really not gonna like the coming climate migration.

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[–] vodkasolution@feddit.it 8 points 6 months ago

Italian here. It seems a very low percentage considering how big the immigration issue is perceveid on the media and in the political talks. It was also a big part of the campaign the led the right/center right to win the past elections.

[–] Drusas@kbin.run 7 points 6 months ago

Well, they better get ready for more as increasing numbers of people become climate refugees from the Middle East and global south.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 6 months ago

It's a really different situation from America, where xenophobic stuff is concentrated in a very angry, specific slice of the population. It makes me wonder if the EU far-right is less emerging fascism, and more a return to East Asian-style policies, which might have been more natural all along in ancient (former and current) kingdoms.

Just a thought. I'm not even sure I believe it, let alone can prove it, so I guess as they say in Musk-land, "don't at me".

[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

7 out of 10 Britons believe their country takes in too many Saxons!

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago

It all went downhill when they started letting the Angles in.

[–] tearsintherain@leminal.space 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Scapegoats for decades of failed neoliberal capitalism that's led to massive inequality. Massive wealth accumulated by slivers of the populations.

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