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Steam is now refunding Ghost of Tsushima for people in affected countries. (lemmy.ca)

submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works to c/games@sh.itjust.works

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Here's the tweet, https://nitter.poast.org/SteamDB/status/1788981898108182681

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[+] Mikufan@ani.social 112 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Please not. I don't want Sony to retreat entirely from the pc market (and they most likely will do it if they are not on Steam anymore).

[+] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world -76 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Go on?

I attempted to sell you a car in the UK. I realize I'm unable to and issue a refund.

Fraud exists where?

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 109 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I entered into an agreement with a car manufacturer to be able to sell their cars in the UK. After I had people place orders (and pay) for a bunch of them the manufacturer decided that they were no longer supplying cars to the UK. Forcing me to issue my customers with refunds.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 54 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Fraud exists because you were driving the car for a while with your normal drivers license and everything was perfectly fine, but now (for example) Elon says you have to get a specialized additional Tesla certification license from Tesla, but only offers it to countries whose names start with vowels because he was on a ketamine bender one night.

It’s a retroactive, unilateral change to a contract, which is generally considered legally questionable at the very least. And - you guessed it - possibly fraud.

[+] Link@rentadrunk.org -19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Correct me if I’m wrong but the game isn’t out yet on PC so no one has been playing (driving) the game.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You’re being pedantic and you know it.

[+] Link@rentadrunk.org -13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

There is a big difference between cancelling an order and taking away a product that you have been using.

I don’t agree with Sony’s actions as everyone should be able to buy the game but this is Sony cancelling an order as the game isn’t even out yet on PC.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s now a pattern and practice, though. HD2 could have been a fluke. But this now indicates that they’re probably going to do something similar with all of their current-gen games. THAT is the point people are becoming furious with.

[+] Link@rentadrunk.org -11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That was obvious though. There was articles last week saying that Ghost of Tsushima wouldn’t remove the PSN requirement. It is also listed above the buy button (although that could be recent).

It was pretty clear from their response to HD2 that they would try again. Sure they shouldn’t have been selling preorders in countries that don’t have PSN access but it isn’t really surprising that they are enforcing it here.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don’t understand why you’re shilling for Sony as if this was a reasonable or defensible practice.

[–] Link@rentadrunk.org -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I’m not but what’s funny is that EA, Ubisoft and Rockstar require an account to play their single player games and even their awful launchers which Sony isn’t doing and no one cares. Suddenly Sony does the same thing and everyone is furious about it.

Maybe it’s time for everyone to start review bombing these publishers too.

[+] Mikufan@ani.social 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

More like I pay you for water in my house and midway in you decided to add berry flavor.

Great, now my spaghetti taste like berry, and I didn't agree to that.

[–] tal 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Now I kind of want to try berry spaghetti.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

No you don't.

And when you don't you gotta give me a run down :)

[–] tal 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

No you don’t.

There are dessert pasta dishes.

googles

https://www.agourmetfoodblog.com/sweet-pasta-dessert-with-strawberry-sauce/

Here's one with a strawberry sauce. If you can do strawberry sauce, I'm pretty sure that berries would also work in the pasta itself.

It might reduce the structural strength of the pasta, but I figure that you can probably just use a larger pasta if need be.

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

This is why we need pasta with structural integrity field generators on every noodle.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 104 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So what Sony is saying is that I should just pirate the game since there is no legal way to buy it?

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 43 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Noooo that would be stealing food right out of the developers' mouths /s

[–] rar@discuss.online 10 points 4 months ago

Think of the poor corporations, man! Have you no soul?

[–] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 62 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Stolen fron c/source_memes

[–] tb_@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

What is this business strategy called?

Not being publicly/private equity owned

[–] tal 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Hmm.

I haven't been following this, but if I understand, all this flows from Sony's decision to (a) disallow developers targeting their platform from selling the game in regions that PSN isn't available, even on other platforms, like Steam, and (b) not to offer PSN service in the Baltics. I'm not actually sure that it's legal for Sony to do this.

I don't think that that'd be fraud -- as some people are talking about -- but I do know that the EU has had some digital single market legislation that doesn't let you buy something in part of the EU if you can't use it in another part. I think that their interest is that they don't want to have companies creating barriers to movement of labor around the EU, where someone can't move from EU member A to B because it makes all their digital products unusable. If you cannot play a game in the Baltics, I'm not sure that it's legal to sell it, under EU law, in France or the like.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Single_Market

It might also be legal -- not sure. Probably depends on how it's structured, what exactly Sony is doing, and the specifics of the European Digital Single Market restrictions. And I'm not familiar with the fine points of any of those.

[–] Ballistic_86@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It would be an interesting issue to resolve if the EU were to pursue it. I guess one could argue that PS5s are sold in the EU, even with the PSN restriction in certain regions. I’d guess a resolution to this would have Sony remove all of their content on Steam, which I consider a negative for gaming in-general.

I’m guessing there is, or will be, a carve out for this type of thing. Precedent could be argued with my PS5 example above.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 7 points 4 months ago

The idea is to encourage the opposite. If they want access to furnace, Germany, Italy, they need to make it available in smaller countries. It becomes financially viable to cater to small countries when not doing so loses the big countries.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

What a complete clusterfuck.

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago

DO I SEE THE FLAG OF ESTONIA?

[–] Bruhh@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I thought you only needed a PSN account for the multiplayer portion of the game?

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yes, which is why Steam is issuing refunds

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As somebody who played GoT a while back, it has a multiplayer mode?

[–] Kelly@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

The SP launched in July 2020 with the MP mode arriving in October that year.

[–] wildcardology@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Steam should have done that with hell divers 2 f om day 1.

[–] tb_@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It hadn't been made a clear requirement at that stage

[–] jose1324@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It was. It was even in the description already

[–] tb_@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Evidently it was not clear enough.

Or Valve didn't check every last little detail and expected the publisher to take care of it, until it became a big controversy.

-- assuming it is, in fact, Valve who is behind this change and not Sony themselves.

[–] jose1324@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You answered it yourself. Valve did not adequately check

[–] tb_@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

That would require Valve to be the reason behind this change, and reading every description for every game is something I doubt they do.

Clearly this is the responsibility of the publisher.