Apple event as a consumer vs. investor : memes

[+] nobleshift@lemmy.world 65 points 9 months ago

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[-] hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

regardless of the company

This is key.

"Planned obsolescence tends to work best when a producer has at least an oligopoly. Before introducing a planned obsolescence, the producer has to know that the customer is at least somewhat likely to buy a replacement from them in the form of brand loyalty. In these cases of planned obsolescence, there is an information asymmetry between the producer, who knows how long the product was designed to last, and the customer, who does not. When a market becomes more competitive, product lifespans tend to increase."

[-] Nerdulous@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago

As much as I agree that individual releases are lackluster and uninspiring usually I just can't agree with a 13yo phone being very capable today. The benefits that are compounded after 3 or 4 releases is usually worth the switch. However I do firmly believe these devices should last at least that long.

Not to mention most people are ecstatic to have their washing machine, refrigerator, water heater, or even their cars for so long and usually it isn't without compromises. Just about any appliance lasting that long is considered good luck.

Computational devices are even harder to continue using for so long and usually not because they break but because they become inadequate as processing power follows Moore's law. I would guess most people use their laptops for about 5 years before feeling like they have to upgrade because it feels slow but I remember the laptop I had 13 years ago and the thought of still using that now fills me with dread.

[-] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

When i read this:

a 13yo phone

My brain went: huh? There were no smartphones in 2005.

Damn, where did the time go

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[-] SternburgExport@feddit.de 8 points 9 months ago

A-fucking-men

I used to love looking for new phones but it just gets more and more depressing when even entry level phones are 6.5" and up.

Guess it's time to buy 10 year old high end phones.

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[-] HRDS_654@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

If it makes you feel any better, apparently the Pixel 8 "only" has a 6.1 inch screen.

[-] sheogorath@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's why I use Z Fold now. Small phone width when folded, big ass screen when you're lounging and have the other hand free to use the phone. I can't even use the regular slab phone now because I'm used to the narrow cover screen.

People say that the phone is thick when folded but I found out that it made the phone easier to hold due to its thickness. I'm also the kind of guy who uses a phone for the long term, my previous phone was a ROG Phone 2 that I used for four years. I decided to upgrade because most of my work now is done on my phone while I'm out and about and having a larger screen to review some documents has been a lifesaver for me.

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[-] Nurgle@lemmy.world 57 points 9 months ago

I feel like the most early Reddit feel of Lemmy is the abundance of users who adopt Apple hate as a personality trait.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago

I don't hate Apple because in most probability I'll never use their products.

However I fucking hate Android makers for following whatever dumb trends Apple introduces.

Give back our headphone jacks you motherfuckers!

[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 26 points 9 months ago

Is it possible that it only feels that way because you've adopted Apple love as a personality trait? Cuz it's a rather mild Pooh meme.

[-] Nurgle@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

It was just a mild observation from someone who was on Reddit since the earlier days.

[-] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago

Cmon dude, have you not been in any of the threads that remotely concern Apple? Lemmy absolutely seethes at the notion that anyone might actually prefer Apple products.

And before you call me a fan boy, I'm literally typing this on a Samsung phone while playing games on my windows PC. you don't have to be an Apple obsessed fan boy to find the circle jerk annoying

[-] HidingCat@kbin.social 23 points 9 months ago

You think that's bad, wait till you get into the Windows hate and Linux circlejerk.

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[-] hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

I like the stock.

[-] hemmes@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

I am not a cat.

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[-] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Its not just hating on Apple, its hating on anything that isnt Linux.

[-] calzone_gigante@lemmy.eco.br 8 points 9 months ago

Well, Apple uses a Unix like OS, that have a lot of nice things in common with Linux.

[-] mark3748@geddit.social 11 points 9 months ago

Not UNIX-like, iOS is real UNIX.

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[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Never seen any FreeBSD hate around here.

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[-] Waker@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago

I am a PC/Android user, always have been. I am a hard apple hater, I've tried to keep up with the new devices though, and I've also repaired them in the past. I hate apple mostly due to just not liking to be locked on my device (lack of customization but that has been getting better AFAIK), the fact that the phone feels boring, the overpricing, the not friendly right to repair, the stupid lightning ports (Thanks EU), the "elitist" feeling...

But god damn are these new SOCs making me reconsider... I was already very pleasantly surprised with the Mac computers recently. I think apple silicon is just waaaay ahead at the moment. If competition doesn't catch up somehow soon, I think apple's monopoly will only grow.

Also, AMD over Nvidia. Not saying it's better, but I'll always go team red. Just like Apple, I hate nvidia's business practices.

[-] Nurgle@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Don’t get me wrong I don’t mind a good Apple bash for time to time, just saying this feels like Reddit of old. But yeah their fucking silicone is fucking crazy, who would’ve imagined a decade ago being like I prefer Apple for the hardware.

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[-] nils@feddit.de 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Both iPhone 15 models were good iterative updates in my opinion. Nothing groundbreaking, sure, but Apple finally adopting both USB-C and AV1 is great to see and the programmable action button on the pro models is a nice addition as well.

[-] ChapolinColoradoNZ@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago

USB-C should have never been a "finally" moment for a giant like Apple.

[-] hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

I mean yeah, adopting USB-C is great (even though they only did it because of the backlash in the EU), but...

"While the new standard iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus are equipped with a USB-C port, data transfer over a cable remains limited to USB 2.0 speeds of up to 480 Mbps, which is equal to the Lightning port on previous iPhones."

Only the iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max support USB 3 data transfer speeds of up to 10 Gbps over a cable. (Cable/adapter sold separately.)

So the speeds are still being throttled.

Plus, both the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus are at a 60Hz refresh rate. Idk if I'd consider these "good iterative updates" tbh.

[-] webhead@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

They're not throttling, it's just a really shitty USB controller (what they were using with lightning). Still sad imo but ultimately who the hell is even using the USB port on their phone to transfer data?

[-] Asudox@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Alot of people.

[-] nils@feddit.de 8 points 9 months ago

Fair point. Them not at least using USB 3 across the line up is silly and I don't really see what they gain from doing it apart from maybe saving a cent in production.

But on the other hand I don't think it matters either. The vast majority of people probably don't plug their phone in for anything but charging and the few people that record large video files on their phone will probably get a pro model either.

So yeah USB 2 speeds are silly and I don't want to defend a trillion dollar company for saving a cent on production but I don't think it matters either.

[-] hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Creating revenue streams is far more valuable than cutting costs.

Apple does a phenomenal job in providing solutions to problems they created in the first place.

Get rid of ports on the computer ➡️ Buy adapters
Get rid of the headphone jack ➡️ Buy AirPods
Proprietary lightning port ➡️ Buy more unstandardized cables/adapters
No expandable memory ➡️ Buy an iCloud subscription
No spare/replaceable battery ➡️ Buy a battery replacement service
Little thing breaks ➡️ Shoulda bought AppleCare to make it somewhat less expensive

[-] Feirdro@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Apple’s build quality and usability still curb stomps anything within miles of the same features.

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

usability

I can do way more useful things on Android than I can on iPhone, things you'd have to jailbreak the iPhone for. There's a reason iPhones are popular with grandmas, teens, and others who just want a phone that does phone things easily, and there's also a reason they are not that popular with hardcore nerds who like to fuck around with their devices. It's a phone that targets a specific type of person. There's nothing wrong with that. People see "usability" differently. Some people see it as "ease of use". Others care more about what is possible to do with it. It's just like the Windows/Linux thing.

[-] incompetentboob@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

This is a genuine question that I’ve asked android users and never had a response that isn’t vague and hand-wavy.

What things do you do on your android device that can’t be done without a jailbreak in the apple ecosystem? I’m looking for things beyond visual changes or things that a user would only use once in a blue moon.

I would love a better understanding, please and thank you

[-] deeznutz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 9 months ago

Fairly certain these can't be done on iPhone but correct me if I'm wrong:

Multi window/split screen -AFAIK you can only do this on iPad
custom home screen/launcher: the icons on a grid both bores and overwhelms me, so I use a minimalist launcher with a few shortcuts and app drawer for the rest
removable SD card. Sure, storage is getting better on phones, but the ability to pop a 2TB micro SD in my phone and keep offline copies of whatever I like for times I have no service is absolutely crucial to me (SD slot depends on what phone you have ofc, some manufacturers ditched it)
home screen widgets
notifications are superior on android
USB 3.0 speed data transfer with no additional software, to any device that can accept a USB stick
third party apps and app stores
being able to install apps I develop for my own personal use without paying for a developer account, having to list it on the store, or having to reinstall it every few weeks
ability to run Firefox with extensions
multiple accounts for the same app without needing to log in and out
USB OTG
game emulators
can safely browse tor

Depending on what model and manufacturer you go with,

reverse wireless charging
headphone jack
ip68 rating
call screening
dual sim

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

What things do you do on your android device that can’t be done without a jailbreak in the apple ecosystem?

I mentioned having to jailbreak them to be able to do some of the things stock Android can do. Sideloading and the ability to be used like a flash drive and have direct access to the filesystem when plugged into a computer are some of the things I use regularly.

Jailbreaking is also risky. It's a good way for Apple to have an excuse to brick your shit on the next update if they decide to for "security" reasons.

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[-] dlpkl@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

I agree but I think they meant ease of use and ability to "just do" things

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[-] AshLassay@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah this is basically what they used to call the S series. Have people already forgotten that Apple runs on a tick tock release schedule?

[-] 6daemonbag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 9 months ago

Cue my coworkers, who watched to glean hints at databases they can break into. For forensic purposes.

[-] frokie@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

They announce that on their PR events??

[-] 6daemonbag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago

No but they would make guesses on where the "juicy databases" might be when new features or improvements would be showcased.

[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 6 points 9 months ago

Honestly, Apple's not doing too shabby. Could they have better consumer policies? Yeah, definitely. They seem to be getting a lot better though; enough so that I'm genuinely tempted to switch to an iPhone the next time I get a new phone (probably won't be for several years, but yanno).

The big thing that's holding me back is that you still have to jump through hoops to side-load apps. Given the state of the Google Play store, I can forgive Apple for being extremely strict about what can or can't go on the app store; however, I would like a way to side-load apps without having to do the weird song and dance currently associated with it.

Apple, you don't have to have an open app store like Google, you just have to let me install unapproved apps via my PC and I'll be happy.

[-] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 8 points 9 months ago

Pretty sure the EU is doing something about this too iirc.

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[-] hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Sideloading is supposedly on the way. No ETA though.

[-] nils@feddit.de 9 points 9 months ago

They have to comply until 6 March 2024 under the Digital Markets Act, so hopefully we should see sideloading very soon. Fingers crossed

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[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 9 months ago

Me knowing apple is the #1 abuser of stock buybacks.

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