People haven't forgotten. That's not the issue Biden is facing.
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One, fatigue isn't about forgetting, it's about not caring. Second, more than one problem can exist at once.
"Trump fatigue" is not why Biden will lose if he does. He has alienated the people who care the most. That is his singular failure in all of this that will cost him his win, a product of total hubris.
I doubt that. If they truly care the most, they'll vote to make sure Trump loses.
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@mozz@mbin.grits.dev thoughts on this article? I know a lot of people really do have Trump fatigue and no longer pay attention when the news talks about him.
I read the first little bit. My thoughts are that it would be nice if the article painted this whole issue as a media issue instead of a what-Biden-should-do-better issue. It’s not like they’re wrong in anything they’re saying, but leaving out the WHY aspect of how the average voter is so badly misinformed, leaving room for the reader to conclude that Biden’s campaign just isn’t doing a good job in an otherwise neutral situation, seems like a notable omission.
Is the Biden campaign doing itself a disservice by mostly running on "but Trump"?
I watched most of his speech to the NAACP, after verifying that you were right about him saying he was VP during Covid and it was just as bad as it sounded. He did mention the fact that Trump would be an objective catastrophe and that’s relevant, but I think people already know that; he actually spent most of the speech talking about what he’s done, which I think an overwhelming majority have no idea about beyond a handful of anecdotes. It’s actually so out of line with the popular perception that when he talks about his record (a lot of the same stuff I keep talking about here), it sounds weird and outlandish and comical because a lot of people just have never even heard of it before.
I actually don’t think his campaign is depending mostly on “but Trump,” although I haven’t kept close tabs on it. Are you sure you’re not engaged in an effort to shift the blame for his poor performance onto some tactical failures in his camp whether real or imagined, as opposed to the news media which is overwhelmingly lazy and irresponsible at best, and at worst actively working to undermine him at every turn?
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Don’t we all…
That's absolutely understandable, the weird part is how media and about 50% of voters don't.
It is certainly your right to vote for Trump, yes.
Almost like he should just listen to the voters and also all the fucking scientists and economists if he wants to energize tired voters.
“Stop selling Israel weapons.” “Be more aggressive with climate policy, we’re already late and can’t dilly-dally anymore.” “Oh my god just actually make a fucking effort instead of offering lukewarm responses all the time.”
It’s not hard, and the science backs up the demands.
Be more aggressive with climate policy, we’re already late and can’t dilly-dally anymore.
Wellllllllll
Welllllllllll
Biden took half a trillion dollars’ worth of action on climate change which he funded by taxing Amazon + friends which ticked emissions down to 40% reduction by 2030 which is way too late and nowhere near enough no but he started working on it the instant he got in office and had to do the whole thing twice because Manchin blew up the first much more aggressive one at the last minute so yes we need to do a hell of a lot more but it seems weird to pick out the ONE guy in American government who has achieved ANY level of forward progress and give him and only him criticism about how important is climate change and we can’t possibly elect him especially since the other guy wants to undo even that step and start blowing up the planet even harder which makes me question a little bit whether you REALLY care about climate change or whether your explicit targeting of the one guy who made some progress on it is maybe
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Just maybe
Focused and directed in service of an agenda which is maybe
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Maybe just maybe NOT
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Aligned with solving climate change
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Especially given the fact that you seem totally uninterested in conversations about solving climate change which do NOT lead in direct and immediate A->B fashion into not voting for Joe Biden
"It’s not hard"
You run for President then hotshot
Yes, hello. I understand you’re giving out Presidental Campaign starter packages?
I’ll take the Newport parents, Ivy League College, multi-millionare basic bundle. That comes with the limited-time “My Parents donated to most of my future colleagues’ war chests” add-on, right?
Do I have to upgrade to get rid of the early-to-mid-life scandal?
Do I have to upgrade to get rid of the early-to-mid-life scandal?
That depends if you took the 'media-mogul' tract or the 'oil-and-gas magnate' tract for your "son-of-a-billionaire" class.
Also, if you took the 'tech-bro' multi-class early on, that can unlock the "every-crisis-is-an-opportunity" story-line where you buy a floundering media company in an attempt to preserve your image.
Sadly the contract requires you to sell your soul to AIPAC and promise your liver and lungs to Lockheed Martin as collateral
A genius rebuttal, why didn’t I think of that?
Actually I am running for president. I'm just poor AF so you'll have to use a write in since I'm not really party allegiant or super well known.
It's not hard.
Biden's campaign has a "complicit in genocide" problem
Trump won't have that problem because he won't care how complicit he is.
I mean you are correct.
Trumps voters don't care if he is complicit in a genocide.
Bidens voters do care if he is complicit in a genocide.
Its apples and oranges. The two cohorts of voters are looking for different things from their candidates. Its why comparing the two with each others yard-sticks doesn't make sense.
Definitely. Trump's eligibility doesn't depend on people thinking he's a genocidal piece of shit. If anything, it improves his chances.
Biden doesn't have that luxury, though. Hence why it's a problem.
It's a problem because liberal voters expect a perfect candidate, but conservatives are willing to see the forest through the trees.
Biden's being held to a standard that no one's holding Trump to.
There's a pretty big leap between "perfect candidate" and "unapologetically commiting genocide".
The reason why no one is holding Trump to Biden's starddards is that Biden wants votes from people who aren't the scum of the Earth, since that's already Trump's entire electorate.
unapologetically commiting genocide
Which is not what Biden's doing and you know it. Why even put that out there?
It's exactly what he's doing, why are you pretending is not?
If he says "sorry for the genocide" I'll stand corrected and change it to "apologetically committing genocide"
Sending US troops to build a pier to provide aid is committing genocide?
Now that's what I call arguing in bad faith by feigning ignorance 2024 greatest hits
Humor me, pretend it's not feigning ignorance and explain it. What's Biden doing that rises to the level of genocide?
How is that a problem for Biden? When Biden criticize aspects of Israeli behavior, and Trump has zero problems supporting Israel no matter what.
Biden is for sure the lesser evil in this aspect too, where he is probably most criticized by people attempting to make both sides equal, when it's a false equivalence of gigantic proportions.
Yes, he is the lesser evil.
Some people don't like evil and won't vote for him until he decides to not do that. That's a problem for his eligibility.
It's a lot easier to convince one guy to chill on doing genocide than convincing a million people that it's ok to do genocide just this time cause it's important and the other guy is worse
OK so 70 years of supporting Israel, and suddenly NOW it becomes a problem in the election?
It has absolutely nothing to do with Russian/GOP propaganda to make Biden look bad?
I'm sorry, I just don't buy that. I'm all for a solution in Gaza, and I'm sure Biden is too, on the other hand, I don't believe Trump gives a shit.
Israel has always been a bad actor, but the current gencocide is clearly a low point. And thanks to social media, the mainstream media's consent generation machinery is losing effectiveness. It's hard to pretend nothing is happening when people see emaciated children on their instagram feeds. Biden doesn't need any help making himself look like a sick monster.
I love that I saw this exact argument 4 years ago when he picked Harris as VP. "oh so now police violence is a problem, damn you, Putin"
I don't know why it took until they killed >10000 children in 6 months for more people to care, but supporting Israel has always been a problem. If his election is threatened by that he can simply stop supporting a genocide or admit that, yes, his belief in letting Israel kill as many people as they want is more important than this election.
If police violence is a problem, that too is 100% a reason to NOT vote for Trump. Trump wants to give more power to police, and protect them even better when they kill innocent people. Trump wants police to shoot colored people and demonstrants indiscriminately. His policies and actions clearly show that.
You are supporting a fascist with no regard for democracy, either on purpose or unwittingly.
Phew, I'm glad I'm not voting for Trump.
Can we discuss how Biden's support of genocide is bad now?
If you are not helping Biden, you are helping Trump win. That's the problem with the 2 party system in USA.
Maybe one day USA will have a better democracy, and we can have more nuanced debates on US politics.
Get a clue as to how fptp voting works.
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